Miss Muslim Ducks My Questions Again
Ani Zonneveld, the woman who said in the LA Times letters to the editor that, in Islam, men and women are, hah hah hah, equal, continues to duck my questions to her about the actual reality of the violent totalitarian movement masquerading as a religion that Islam is. Here are my two entries on my previous communications with her.
Here's my e-mail to her from the other day:
I think you don't know the Quran very well, and certainly not as well as I do. That's why you can't answer my question, you can only try to deflect it with telling me to read the propaganda books on your site.I'm not interested in the books you have to tell people what a wonderful, peaceful, equality-loving religion Islam is. I go straight to the Quran. You?
Do you actually know what the Quran says, or do you just use this idea of Islam as a religion of peace and equality as a vehicle for promoting your music?
I mean, a singer promoting the reality of Islam -- as "submission" and violence or death (or at least dhimmitude) to all who are not Muslims -- would not go over real big over here in the West, huh? Answer my question. ANSWER MY QUESTION.
At the very least, start reading and stop selling a religion that promotes the violent death of all us kuffirs as some kind of kumbayah vehicle. It's anything but. And by promoting it as such, you lay the groundwork (turning Westerners into "tolerant" sheep to the slaughter) for the jihadists.
I'm from Detroit. My dad has sent me the Muslim hate rags from there from time to time. You read any of them? Or are you too busy just talking nonsense that has nothing to do with what's written in the Quran. Being uneducated about Islam or wanting others to believe it's all turn-the-other-cheek Jesus'y doesn't change the reality of it -- as totalitarianism masquerading as a religion.
Zonneveld writes back, devoid of substance. Again:
In a message dated 5/27/08 9:09:01 AM, twobz@hotmail.com writes:I'm not interested in having a conversation with you because you are very hateful. You and your ilks take Quranic text just like Osama Bin Laden does, out of context and twist it to suit your belief and hate system.
I'm not interested in reading hateful materials, not from you, not from "Muslim hate rags" whatever that is.
If you read the stuff I write on the website, or the writings of others that I post, or the social issues that I'm pissed of about, or read the hateful mails I get from Muslims as well as non-Muslims you will understand me, my perspective, my critique and my understanding of Islam. But instead you accuse me of promoting violence to all who are not Muslims!! Your heart is so closed. You're only interested in disrespecting me and to demonize me. Go ahead live your life full of hate. Enjoy it, but just leave me out of it.
Hilariously, while she professes to want to educate me, she sends nary a link, just vaguely tells me to go look at her website. I suspect I'm right about her -- that this "progressive Muslim" stance is simply a way she gets her name out there to further her singing career, and actual requests for information about the subject are seen as annoyances to be ducked. Here's my last e-mail to her:
I sent you links FROM the Quran. Specific links -- just a few lines. If you won't tell me where these links are wrong, I'm guessing it's because they're not. I found a website were another Muslim suggested you were uninformed about Islam. I'm guessing he's right. I'm also guessing that your vocal "moderate Muslim" is how you get noticed in your singing career. Or "career."I do research for my column every week, and print the truth. Since you won't tell me the truth, and won't tell me how these quotes from the Quran are supposedly untrue, it seems that my suppositions are right about you.
I'm not interested in what you'd like Islam to be, but what it actually is, based on Quranic teachings. If you won't even take a few of those lines and show me how they're somehow wrong, well, I'm guessing it's because they're not wrong.
Did you even look at the links or are you too lazy?
Oh, and how do you feel about a guy who marries a girl at six and has sex with her at nine? Surely you don't contest that?
Here, I'll help you: Islam means "submission":
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-not-peaceful.htm
Islam only means peace to Muslims who blindly submit. To Christians Islam means war, persecution and death. The Qur'an says: "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)Aww, makes me want to sing Kumbayah, right here and now. You?
The way you do your part is by standing up and telling the truth about Islam -- the actual truth. I know, it's no way to promote a singer, but it's the right thing to do. -Amy Alkon
As for how "hateful" I am, I'm actually enraged and incited to action. I mean, what is the proper stance against people who want to convert or kill everyone in the world who isn't a Muslim, and who are directed to in no uncertain terms by their Quran?
But for that, I'd be as incited toward Muslims as I am toward astrology buffs? Moon in Cancer means you'll meet somebody new, huh? Nitwitty, but no skin off my back (and no head chopped off my shoulders, either).







"As for how "hateful" I am, I'm actually enraged and incited to action." Action being? If you want to fight Islam as the fundies see it then push for and support moderate Muslims. This women may be an inept moderate Muslim but she is a moderate Muslim. She is correct that you read the Quaran the same as the nut jobs. However this does not change the fact that the violent and oppressive interpretation may be the correct one.
vlad at May 28, 2008 8:14 AM
"Moderate Muslims" are moderate because they either haven't read or don't go by the teachings of the Quran. It's Islam itself that directs people to be evil. The likes of Ani Zonneveld are only leading us like sheep to the slaughter.
Amy Alkon at May 28, 2008 8:26 AM
I'm not a "moderate FLDS" if I tell the public that it's a wonderful religion that never harms children while doing nothing to prevent underage marriages, "lost boys", and little girls being groomed for those underage marriages.
Likewise, I'm not really a "moderate Muslim" if I tell non-Muslims that it's a wonderful, peaceful religion while saying nothing to (and doing nothing about) those who obey the less peaceful tenents of the religion . . . .
TheOtherOne at May 28, 2008 8:47 AM
"The likes of Ani Zonneveld are only leading us like sheep to the slaughter." Probably but unless we encourage moderates even inept ones while maintaining some skepticism I'm seeing the fundies win or at least drive us to a stale mate.
vlad at May 28, 2008 8:52 AM
Actually, the fundies win as long as Islam continues as a religion. The problem is with Islam. I clarified that here, with a new posting:
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2008/05/28/the_joke_that_t.html
Amy Alkon at May 28, 2008 9:22 AM
Amy,
I think you are being a little unfair. Your understanding of the particulars of the Koran probably exceed mine. But, my understanding is that there are more than 70 distinct sects in Islam (much like the different Christian denominations). They cannot be painted with one broad brush.
I think the problem comes from the fundamentalists primarily. There was a time when Islamic scholarship was encouraged. Granted, this was almost 1000 years ago when it hit its peak. In contrast, the Jewish religion could be cast as the most xenophobic of the three main Western religions. However, its devotion to scholarship has turned it into a respectable theological system (for those who respect theology). Similar things occurred in Christianity with Catholicism, and, in some degrees, some of the protestant religions. Without this scholarship, Christianity could easily look like some hippie-commune-cult (Hello? Waco?) Thomas Aquinas even relied on some of the reasoning of Averroes, the Islamic scholar, for his "proof" of God's existence.
As much as you may want to deride any religious belief, the I think the problem with Islam is that the strict reliance on the Koran (and forsaking its early scholarship) forces it to remain "stuck" in the time of its conception. And, that is true of any belief system that refuses to grow.
So, bottom line, I do not agree that, as a basic principle, there is no such thing as a moderate Islam, or that Islam cannot be separated from its more violent themes. After all, if the State of Israel still enforced the punishments in Deuteronomy and Leviticus (?), it could easily be as violent and repressive as many Islamic countries are.
Tim at May 28, 2008 10:42 AM
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