When In The Netherlands, Do As The Saudis Do
Free speech has become dangerous speech in the Netherlands -- both because you could be murdered for it by Muslims, as Theo Van Gogh was, and because you could be prosecuted for criticizing Muslims, as the courageous Dutch PM Geert Wilders, producer of the film "Fitna," is about to be. From the WSJ, a piece on how they're going after Wilders, "Silencing Islam's Critics - A Dutch court imports Saudi blasphemy norms to Europe":
Some Muslims say they are outraged by his statements. But if freedom of speech means anything, it means the freedom of controversial speech. Consensus views need no protection.This is exactly what Dutch prosecutors said in June when they rejected the complaints against Mr. Wilders. "That comments are hurtful and offensive for a large number of Muslims does not mean that they are punishable," the prosecutors said in a statement. "Freedom of expression fulfills an essential role in public debate in a democratic society. That means that offensive comments can be made in a political debate."
The court yesterday overruled this decision, arguing that the lawmaker should be prosecuted for "inciting hatred and discrimination" and also "for insulting Muslim worshippers because of comparisons between Islam and Nazism." This is no small victory for Islamic regimes seeking to export their censorship laws to wherever Muslims reside. But the successful integration of Muslims in Europe will require that immigrants adapt to Western norms, not vice versa. Limiting the Dutch debate of Islam to standards acceptable in, say, Saudi Arabia, will only shore up support for Mr. Wilders's argument that Muslim immigration is eroding traditional Dutch liberties.







We're just one step away from this kind of extra-judicial behavior int the U.S. You will see it in the next four years.
Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg at January 22, 2009 5:11 AM
That fear is why gun sales are through the roof.
I suspect that the first time a judgment is handed down about "offending islam", there's gonna be blood in the streets.
People will be wishing it was as tame as Watts.
brian at January 22, 2009 6:01 AM
What is wrong with the Europeans? Is this just appeasement, like they tried with Hitler? If so, how well did that work? I'm not much of a history buff but I remember that from history lessons, and it just makes sense that if you keep giving in to someone that they will only get worse with their demands. Is there any other explanation for this?
William (wbhicks@hotmail.com) at January 22, 2009 6:34 AM
What a disgusting thing to read first thing in the morning. I will avoid commenting on this sine I will bring in only bad vibes and swear words.
Toubrouk at January 22, 2009 6:39 AM
What is wrong with the Europeans? Two words. Relativism. Multi-culturalism.
Charles at January 22, 2009 7:16 AM
And yet I have the sneaking suspicion that no Dutch Muslims are being prosecuted for calling Jews apes and pigs and calling for their slaughter.
I mean, if "hate speech" is illegal, it's illegal for everyone. Right? Right?
Quint at January 22, 2009 8:24 AM
OH for fuck's sake!!! What the hell is wrong with the Dutch? The Quran is filled with hate speech, yet I don't see them banning it.
Melissa G at January 22, 2009 9:11 AM
When Mohammed Bouyeri finished slaughtering Theo Van Gogh on the streets of Amsterdam, he left behind a 5-page hit list, attached to a knife he plunged into Theo's body. Ayaan Hirsi Ali & Geert Wilders were at the top of the list, but the politicians & prosecutors responsible for this crime against freedom were on it too, & they've been petrified of Muslims ever since. So it's sheer, craven cowardice on display here, not just multi-culti political correctness.
If you want to stand up and be counted for freedom, consider signing this petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/petition.html
And if you haven't already done so, download a copy of "Fitna" to your computers before the ReligionofPeace & the spineless worms who do it's bidding succeed in banishing it from the internet.
Martin at January 22, 2009 9:13 AM
What is wrong with the Europeans? Is this just appeasement, like they tried with Hitler? If so, how well did that work? I'm not much of a history buff but I remember that from history lessons,
Posted by: William
William,
Yes this is appeasement. Your history lesson is dead on. What also amazes me, as I watch Europe sinking under the demographic onslaught of the "slow jihad", is the other, longer history lesson that Europeans are also ignoring, namely Islam. You don't have to be a history buff to do a quick check on the history of Islam. A simple review of this odious ideology reveals a 1400 year history of relentless hegemony against western civilization.
So the Europeans are ignoring the last, worst lesson in "appeasement doesn't work" by not taking the Hitler experience to heart. But they are also ignoring the history of Islam. Not quite "The Religion of Peace".
Ken at January 22, 2009 10:58 AM
What is wrong with the Europeans? Two words. Relativism. Multi-culturalism.
Posted by: Charles
Charles,
You might also add a tinge of political correctness, and a LOT of cowardice.
Ken at January 22, 2009 11:03 AM
martin, thanks for sharing that bit of info about the gov't representatives being on that list. it certainly puts things into context.
If true, this makes me curious if there were any idle threats against these people to get them to file these charges.
It makes me wonder what will get through the thick skulls of the fundamentalists. I'm beginning to think that even violence, as a last resort, would not work. And if not, then what? Peaceful demonstrations are clearly not going to work.
Maybe massive amounts of information being disseminated into thier culture? I think we're out of ideas, and just about out of time. I'm no doom-sayer, but this is just going to be a pain in the ass to deal with later on.
farker at January 22, 2009 11:07 AM
I'd buy relativism and multi-culturalism if I knew of any instances where they were doing the same thing to the Muslims for their hate speech. Are the Europeans creating laws specifically about Christianity or Judaism, or anything else but Islam?
William (wbhicks@hotmail.com) at January 22, 2009 11:14 AM
From the article: The court yesterday overruled this decision, arguing that the lawmaker should be prosecuted ... "for insulting Muslim worshippers because of comparisons between Islam and Nazism."
The mufti of Jerusalem was a Hitler ally. After the war he lamented that Hitler did not go far enough in his genocide.
How does "kill the Jews" yelled in German differ from "kill the Jews" yelled in Arabic?
Conan the Grammarian at January 22, 2009 12:06 PM
Conan,
There is no difference. But do remember that in some countries still, truth is not a defense to libel/slander/incitement. Still though there is some truth to the statement that he was wrong to make a comparison between Islam and Nazism. Nazism was more easily destroyed because it existed b/c of a single leader, much like the catholic church. Islam has no singular leader, it has many divided sects, without any unification whatsoever. There is no head of the snake to slice off here. And that's just the start; there's a world of difference between the two. That said, Islam is and will always be a more formidable opponent.
I think Geert should flee to America as Hirsi Ali did recently. It seems that the way the world works today is to be reactive, rather than proactive. So the sooner the Netherlands collapses under Sharia law, the better. Not until then will people snap out of their food comas, thier rainbows-and-unicorns delusion, thier utter apathy to anything that happens beyond thier doorsteps. Don't forget, we did jack sh!t about this problem when the trade center was bombed.....it actually had to be leveled for us to finally get off our collective asses.
farker at January 22, 2009 12:23 PM
Hopefully this was a lower court that ordered the prosecution and their Supreme Court will use this case to strike down the law.
Sort of like all the rulings that come out of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. ;-)
At least we can hope.
Jim P. at January 22, 2009 12:27 PM
Here's more thuggery.
Ahh, religion. The guiding light, huh?
Radwaste at January 22, 2009 2:24 PM
Radwaste,
As sad as it can be, it is already old news. These monsters are nothing but Sublime Savages for me.
I wonder; where is the outrage in Muslim countries? Where are those proud Islamists who flocked in droves to manifest against cartoons? Answering these questions remembers us where their "Light" really shines.
Toubrouk at January 22, 2009 4:02 PM
I think prosecution is a bit too much. I wonder what that will do to the relationships between people. Not good.
He was prosecuted for putting the danish cartoons on his website.
(His freedom of speech)
There must be freedom of speech but that does not mean we can say / do whatever we want right?
In my opinion the situation is beyond repair and will only escalate. History has a way to repeat itself in different ways. I guess we will never learn.
Che at January 23, 2009 12:51 AM
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