Burka Barbie!
From the Daily Mail, among the 500 Barbies on sale in a charity auction are a few Barbies in Burkhas:
Makers Mattel are backing the exhibition which is the work of Italian designer Eliana Lorena.
The good stuff is below the article, in the comments:
will burka barbie not be allowed out of the toybox without a chaperone if action man is in the room? what happens if a brother and sister both want to play with their dolls at the same time?
- Barbara, Endangered England
Another commenter suggested a FGM (Female Genital Mutilation) Barbie. Here's yet another:
Mmm that looks fun to play with! And does she have to sit 3 rows back from Ken when put back in the cupboard?
- nikki, sussex
And then, my contribution:
Suicide bomb vest sold separately!(All the better to blow up Iraqi women and children waiting in a U.N. food line, like some burka-clad "religion of peace"-following lady did not too long ago.)







> Another commenter suggested a FGM
> (Female Genital Mutilation) Barbie.
Is there room for another smartass joke on top of that?
Probably not. But I'd guess y'all know where I was gonna go with it.
Crid [CridComment @ gmail] at November 22, 2009 12:44 AM
It is a shame that a popular brand such as barbie had been tarnished by the burka. it is not right that barbie was being forced to wear the burka. after all barbie is not a moslem and is NOT run by a moslem company.
WLIL at November 22, 2009 4:36 AM
How about Burka Bridal Barbie? It is the perfect gift for a 9 year old bride!
LoneStarJeffe at November 22, 2009 5:09 AM
Shouldn't Taliban Ken come with four Burqa Barbies?
Genital mutilation Barbie should come "uncut," with a complimentary piece of broken glass so the little future Taliban boys can do the mutilation themselves!
Patrick at November 22, 2009 6:22 AM
The really sad thing is that there will probably be less outrage about "Burka Barbie" then there was over that Barbie in the Hooters uniform.
Gordon at November 22, 2009 7:48 AM
I think both Burka Barbie and Hooters Barbie are cool. I like miniature stuff, of all kinds.
There was a really cool Kenyan barbie with a close cropped fro a few years back.
Army Barbie was cool, too, hope they make her again.
NicoleK at November 22, 2009 8:12 AM
"Shouldn't Taliban Ken come with four Burqa Barbies?"
Three Burqa Barbies and a goat. Stoning kit sold separately.
Martin at November 22, 2009 9:30 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678472">comment from MartinDon't forget Burka Barbie's crop duster -- just the thing for taking out Malibu Barbie's Dream House!
Amy Alkon
at November 22, 2009 9:55 AM
How about Southern Baptist Barbie who must submit herself to Patriarch Ken or risk eternal damnation. That would be hilarious!
Corley at November 22, 2009 10:26 AM
How about a red headed advice columnist Barbie who generalizes about an entire religion and the female worshipers as suicide bombers blowing up other female worshipers wearing identical garments? We could call her Red Head 'All Muslims Suck" Barbie!
Wilson Reese at November 22, 2009 10:40 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678489">comment from Wilson ReeseHow about a red headed advice columnist Barbie who generalizes about an entire religion and the female worshipers as suicide bombers blowing up other female worshipers wearing identical garments? We could call her Red Head 'All Muslims Suck" Barbie!
Perhaps you hadn't noticed, but while not all Muslims are suicide bombers, almost all suicide bombers are Muslim.
And I'm no fan of the evidence-free belief in god, but of all the religions out there, Islam is the one that's truly dangerous and actually evil, when practiced correctly.
Many Muslims have never read the Quran -- especially some American Muslims are more like Christmas Christians (and then, a reported 80 percent of Muslims are illiterate). But, Islam, practiced as laid out in the Quran (which is meant to be taken literally) is not a religion, but a totalitarian system masquerading as religion that preaches the violent death, conversion, or at least the taxing and humiliation of all who do not believe as they do.
What about that seems like something we should be tolerant of and keep our mouths shut about? It's actually a service to spread the word about the truth about Islam. I urge people to read Jihadwatch.com and Robert Spencer's book, and thereligionofpeace.com to see what Islam is really about.
Notice any Jews blowing up German restaurants in the wake of the Holocaust? (A point Wafa Sultan made - the courageous Wafa Sultan, we call her, because she spoke out against Islamism, which means her life is in danger...as is Ayaan Hirsi Ali, as is Salman Rushdie's, as are the Jyllands-Postand publisher and cartoonist and so many more who merely gave their opinion about Islam.)
I speak out against the evidence-free belief in god -- and Jews and Christians sometimes tell me they think I'm a jerk. Gee whiz, that's rough. See the difference?
Amy Alkon
at November 22, 2009 11:24 AM
"Perhaps you hadn't noticed, but while not all Muslims are suicide bombers, almost all suicide bombers are Muslim. "
Perhaps you hadn't noticed that not all conservative Christians are violent towards women's health clinics, almost all perpetrators of violence at women's health clinics are conservative Christians. This means I don't have time to figure out who is a threat and who isn't, so I'm just going to walk a little faster whenever I see an anti-abortion protester.
"Notice any Jews blowing up German restaurants in the wake of the Holocaust?"
No, but I have noticed conservative Christians killing Unitarians and other liberal types they disagree with. It does make one wonder about conservative Christians and their so-called "religion of peace" and their knowledge of the Bible, which, if they have even read it, they seem very willing to ignore on a regular basis. But hey, casting stones is *fun*, especially when one believes they're on top of a pillar of righteousness. So spare me your made up assumptions about Islam and your broad brush. Go back to living in fear under a rock.
Dot at November 22, 2009 11:37 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678491">comment from DotYes, Dot, there are a handful of Christians (and yes, a handful) who do bad things because they are fundamentalists, but do you see preachers standing up on Sunday telling their flock to go murder those who don't think as they do? Therein lies the difference.
I'm not "casting stones" at all -- this is a practice engaged in by the Muslims you're defending by trying to cast aspersions on Christians. There's a lot of creepy shit in the bible, but you don't see Christians, for example, murdering their neighbors because they're adulterers. Yet, in a number of Muslim countries (not sure if all or just some), if you are a woman who's raped, and you don't have four witnesses to attest to that, you are stoned as an adulterer.
"Go back to living in fear under a rock," you say.
Hmmm...would you suggest a rock in my old neighborhood; perhaps part of the rubble of the World Trade Center, where 3,000 lost their lives on 9/11 -- 3,000 people guilty only of getting to work on time.
Amy Alkon
at November 22, 2009 12:01 PM
Very much agree with you, Amy. We also have to beware of those highly abusive moslems who appeared normal and without the burka.
WLIL at November 22, 2009 12:30 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678494">comment from WLILIt amazes me that more people don't speak out about how horrible this is. You can think I'm an idiot, you can believe I'm going to hell and even tell me so (while telling me Adolf Hitler gets to go to heaven if he accepted Jesus, blah blah blah), but stealing a person's life because they don't share your evidence-free belief...it's completely barbaric. Even animals only kill if they're physically threatened or hungry.
Amy Alkon
at November 22, 2009 12:35 PM
Martin writes: Three Burqa Barbies and a goat. Stoning kit sold separately.
Ha! Three Burqa Barbies, a goat, and a six-year-old boy that really bleeds from the rectum!
Patrick at November 22, 2009 12:57 PM
@ Patrick, I can't believe I laughed at your comment about the "six-year old boy that really bleeds from the rectum", but I did and I'm going to hell for it. lol
Lila at November 22, 2009 3:09 PM
No, I'm not casting aspersions on Christians. I'm saying that people have a very selective sense of outrage. So, I guess it is a matter of degree for you, since you can't explain away the violence committed by Christians--it's okay because their ministers don't call for it church? That's really weak. And nice touch with your pathetic attempt to bring 9/11 into it. What a disgusting piece of bloody flag waving, and intellectually dishonest to boot. I'm willing to bet that we can find more than 3,000 Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan who were perfectly innocent of doing nothing more than going to work or a wedding or any number of other quotidian things when their lives were ended by official U.S. government policy. So at what point do we call it even? In your formulation it would seem not until every last Muslim is dead.
Dot at November 22, 2009 5:27 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678519">comment from Dotsince you can't explain away the violence committed by Christians--it's okay because their ministers don't call for it church? That's really weak.
I don't condone violence by anyone. And Christianity hasn't been so nice to the Jews (I'm a post-Jewish atheist). But, these days, take a poll of how many Christians think they should murder people who don't think like they do. Take a poll like that which was taken in Canada. 12 percent of Canadian Muslims were fine with slaughtering the Prime Minister and blowing up Parliament in the name of Islam. That's 84,000 Muslims. Versus the handful of Christian fundamentalists who have murdered people in recent years.
Amy Alkon
at November 22, 2009 5:54 PM
I also heard a rumor that they're going to market a Koran Ken, who raises a clenched fist in anger when a string is pulled on his back; Burqa Barbie in turn screams and cowers when the string is pulled on her back.
Robert at November 22, 2009 5:56 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678524">comment from Amy AlkonHere, Dot, is your shot. Post the names of fundamentalist Christians who have murdered in the name of their religion in recent years. Are there...five? We're waiting for your list!
And yes, it is different -- that Christian pastors aren't calling for their flock to go murder people who don't believe as they do. Are you so dim as to not get that, or just a recent convert to the religion of beheading and stoning?
Amy Alkon
at November 22, 2009 6:02 PM
Forget about Dot, Amy. She's like all the other liberal left-wingnuts not willing to admit that they're wrong about political correctness and diversity, among other things. She won't get it unless and until Sharia law is imposed on her, and by then, of course, it'll be too late.
Flynne at November 22, 2009 6:12 PM
Didn't an Evangelical Christian preacher tell his flock to pray for the death of the American president?
Kaplan at November 22, 2009 6:26 PM
Yes Kaplan, but did he tell them to do anything but makes wishes to an non existant figment of the imgaination?
Did he tell them to do anything other than think about it?
lujlp at November 22, 2009 7:22 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678537">comment from KaplanAh, it seems the tiny little thugs are back.
It's awful that an evangelical Christian preacher did this -- but there aren't a whole lot of examples of this, or Christian fundamentalist murderers.
You tiny little thugs aren't coming up with these few examples of Christian fundamentalism because you think Islam is wonderful (you aren't for stoning gays, are you?) you're just overgrown playground bullies who pick the day or week's human kickball and play blog Lord of the Flies.
Amy Alkon
at November 22, 2009 7:23 PM
Kaplan,
Big difference between telling your flock to pray for someones death, and telling the brainwashed idiots to go blow up the infidel to get their 72 virgins. Curious thought..... what do the women who become human bombs get when they get to paradise? 72 male virgins? That's what, all of about 1 1/2 minutes, granting a few with 3 second stamina for the first time, until all are done?
I'll take the prayer command please. If I wasn't a non-believer like Amy.
E. Steven Berkimer at November 22, 2009 7:32 PM
Um, Slobodan Milosevich? Does he count as a Christian killing for his religion? Likely not, for you lot, given the tone here. But the internets tell me he likely killed thousands of unarmed men and boys for their improper religious beliefs. And unless he had a last minute conversion, he was doing so for Jesus. You can check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
You know, that link calls the massacre "the largest mass murder in Europe since World War II." Isn't it funny how it never gets mentioned when you types are telling people how Christians, unlike Muslims, don't murder people (any more, mind you) for their religion? I mean, 8,000 unarmed men and boys, you'd think folks like you, who are so outraged by the injustice of the killing of innocents in the name of religion, might have made a note, somewhere.
wev at November 22, 2009 8:01 PM
Fact: Christians were responsible for a whole lot of death in the name of Christ. Who, as I understand it, would not have approved.
Another fact: except for the rabid few, WE GOT OVER IT!
A good Muslim isn't allowed to get over it. Read what Amy is talking about. It's quite clear.
You can consider yourself a good Christian without hurting anybody. In fact, that's the ideal.
Pricklypear at November 22, 2009 8:30 PM
Lila: @ Patrick, I can't believe I laughed at your comment about the "six-year old boy that really bleeds from the rectum", but I did and I'm going to hell for it. lol
You're going to hell? I'm the one who said it.
I made that rather disgusting joke for Crid's benefit. He asked, "Is there room for another smartass joke on top of that?"
Yes, there is. You just have to be willing to completely go uncensored and not care how low you sink.
Patrick at November 22, 2009 8:30 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678546">comment from PricklypearYou can consider yourself a good Christian without hurting anybody. In fact, that's the ideal.
Exactly.
And I grew up Jewish and was chased around by Christian kids and called "dirty Jew," even by a small gang of girls who did it in junior high school (one of whom e-mailed me as an adult to apologize). It wasn't a pleasant period in my life, to say the least, but I'm not running around plotting to blow up churches the way Muslims are plotting to blow up newspapers that insult their religion with that pesky thing called freedom of speech.
Amy Alkon
at November 22, 2009 9:05 PM
Barbie fan Angela Ellis, quoted in the article:
"The message with Barbie for women is you can be whatever you want to be"
Does Ms Ellis actually believe that girls who are forced to wear burkhas have ANY choice about what they can be?
Martin at November 22, 2009 9:21 PM
If those fierce, proud, arrogant, rich , abusive aggressive moslems(who frequently preyed on and bullied disadvantaged people) don't like the burka, they can always revolt against it. they don't need an outsider to disrobe their burka. It is just just one of the tricks they played to gain undue publicity for their religion.
WLIL at November 22, 2009 10:53 PM
> I made that rather disgusting
> joke for Crid's benefit.
Thanks anyway.
I was looking at it like this: The Judeo-Christian culture of the North American toy business in 1960 had already given us a genitally-mutilated Barbie...
I'm one month older than the Big B. It's often said, as cultural shorthand, that Barbie and Madonna are the same age.... Forced to choose between plastic dolls for a night in bed, I'd go with the Mattel plaything, but that's just me.
_______________________________
Important Side Note!
Briefly surveying the linked Wikipedia site, I noticed a photo of a "tramp-stamp" Barbie.
Fine— I'm an old man and not supposed to care what cute teenage styles look like anymore. Fashions, long hair, weird clothes, those-crazy-kids-today-with-their-rock'n'roll, whatever....
But last week I learned that many blood collection centers refuse to accept donations from people who've had tattoos within some number of years (and often, ever).
The popularity of tattoos is a tragedy for those collection sites, as was the loss of (all!) homosexual blood donors after the AIDS crisis. There's a dwindling number of non-fashionable, heterosexual, non-needle-using people whose donations can keep the medical machine cranking along.
If you happen to be a stylish young cannibal reading these words, don't get tattoo'd. If you have any young people in your life who trust your judgment, let them know that this trivial fashion choice can have a profound impact on their ability to offer sustenance at the cellular level to strangers in need.
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Hmmm? Me, personally? Well, I've made 21 platelet (apheresis) donations in 2009, and hope to hit the 24-per-year limit before Christmas. Thanks for asking! I'm kinda proud.
(No, please... Your applause is unnecessary... There's no need to thank me until you get cancer, or a transplant, or treatment for third- or fourth-degree burns.)
Crid [CridComment @ gmail] at November 22, 2009 10:55 PM
I'm sorry you went through that, Amy. I myself was raised a Lutheran, and in my hometown it was Lutheran's versus Catholics. Not me, I was the quiet loner as a kid. These days I'd be planning to kill the bullies, back then I just stayed in and read a lot.
I used to hear idealistic adults talk about how honest kids are, and how they don't know about labels. They learn awfully fast, though. Teacher's pet, four-eyes, tattle-tale, crybaby, retard, egghead, fatty, skeleton,and those don't include the ones they learn from their parents, who are proud of them for 'defending their faith'!
My husband and my best friend are both Catholics. Go figure.
Pricklypear at November 22, 2009 11:55 PM
Crid writes: (No, please... Your applause is unnecessary... There's no need to thank me until you get cancer, or a transplant, or treatment for third- or fourth-degree burns.)
What's your blood type? Wouldn't it be a shot in the head to find out that I once needed your platelets?
Patrick at November 23, 2009 12:39 AM
What would be a "shot in the head" would be to learn how the name (and personality?) of "Rod" became affixed to your comment of October 18, 2009 1:37 AM... You've never explained it, and I've always been curious.
Beyond that, "Patrick", donations (of any kind) are an expression of trust that other people in the world are leading lives worth living, and that there's more to life and civilization than the intimacy of private interests and shared persepective.
Feel free to re-read that paragraph until it sinks in, or ask (courteous) questions. Many thoughtful commenters in this group can provide details.
Crid [CridComment @ gmail] at November 23, 2009 1:15 AM
You know, Crid, for the longest time I had no idea what you were talking about. I just figured you were on some weird tangent and wasn't going to trouble myself. But I did have a look down a very long thread, and discovered a post that is obviously mine signed "Rod."
Rod is not me. I absent-mindedly typed his name into the "Name" box when replying to his post.
And I will no more trouble myself over whatever accusation you care to make on this subject. Although if you're that bothered by it, you might ask Amy. She can verify the origin of both the real Rod and the post I accidentally signed as Rod.
(For the record, I have tried to use the "Remember personal info?" checkbox, but it doesn't work for me, probably because I don't Windows Explorer.)
Patrick at November 23, 2009 4:46 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678578">comment from PatrickNot sure what's up here, but I went down and corrected the name in that comment, which yes, is Patrick's IP.
Amy Alkon
at November 23, 2009 5:32 AM
Sorry to put you to all that trouble, darlin'. That was such a long thread. But as you can see, Rod's IP is not mine. If you're referring to why the Remember personal info? doesn't work for me, probably because I use Firefox, not IE, as my browser.
Not my intention to play stupid identity games. Especially since Amy would know if someone was using two different names on the computer.
Patrick at November 23, 2009 5:40 AM
I have IE and the remember info button doesnt work for me either
lujlp at November 23, 2009 9:16 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
Yes, lets also look at:
Iran-Iraq war
Turkey vs. its Kurdish population
Iraq/Saddam vs. its Kurdish population
East Pakistan-West Pakistan war
Arab-Israeli wars
Sudan vs. its non-arab population
Algerian massacres
Iraq-Kuwait war
Biff at November 23, 2009 9:23 AM
> I absent-mindedly typed his name
> into the "Name" box
You "absent-mindedly" typed another person's name into a blog comment?
Aside from the inexplicable weirdness of such an event, doesn't autocomplete diminish the probability of such behavior?
I mean, you're saying you "absent-mindedly typed his name into the 'Name' box". That's nuts.
Crid [CridComment @ gmail] at November 23, 2009 12:22 PM
Thats not so unblivable crid, I do it all the time - I always catch myself before I post though
lujlp at November 23, 2009 12:45 PM
In Amy's defense, she isn't exactly a huge fan of fundamentalist Xians or Jews, either.
In Dot's defense, there are many Muslims who practice a milder form of Islam. Just as there are Xians who don't take the violent parts of the Bible literally, so it is true with many Muslims.
And, now... a confessional. I voted against building minarets in Switzerland. I feel like a hypocrite, because in theory I believe in freedom of religion. But I'd be a lot cooler with minarets if there were less Muslims, and if there wasn't a large percentage of them who were harboring warish thoughts to them.
And whether or not they are right to harbor thoughts of war against us is a moot point. At the end of the day, one has to feel some sense of self-preservation.
NicoleK at November 23, 2009 1:16 PM
> Thats not so unblivable
Do you sign other people's checks, too? Or drive other people's cars off the lot? Inexplicable.
Crid [CridComment @ gmail] at November 23, 2009 1:25 PM
>> Inexplicable.
I'm wearing someone else's underware
MeganNJ at November 23, 2009 1:45 PM
I'm wearing someone else's underware
That could either be sexy or nasty... :-D
-Julie
JulieW at November 23, 2009 1:48 PM
Yah, we could have B52 Barbie, so pissed off at not being invited to Muslims' weddings that she bombs the guests.
Dr Zen at November 23, 2009 2:00 PM
Crid foams and spits: You "absent-mindedly" typed another person's name into a blog comment?
Aside from the inexplicable weirdness of such an event, doesn't autocomplete diminish the probability of such behavior?
I mean, you're saying you "absent-mindedly typed his name into the 'Name' box". That's nuts.
No, it's absent mindedness, and I don't have autocomplete on this website. And the "Remember personal info?" checkbox doesn't work for me.
Patrick at November 23, 2009 2:02 PM
Or breaks out in song.
Conan the Grammarian at November 23, 2009 4:19 PM
I hear a wind, whistling air...
Crid [CridComment @ gmail] at November 23, 2009 5:16 PM
> No, it's absent mindedness
Do you absent-mindedly pay other people's taxes? Wax their cars? Prepare their meals? Sit in their seats at sporting events? Take their LSAT's?
Crid [CridComment @ gmail] at November 23, 2009 5:19 PM
Poor Crid. It's just so over your head, isn't it? Well, don't you trouble yourself any more about it. Just sit in your nice rocking chair and sip your prune juice. I'll bring you a nice poached egg.
Patrick at November 23, 2009 5:27 PM
Differences:
The Christian community, as a whole, SHUNS perpetrators of violence, publicly even, especially those who perform said violence in the name of Jesus, or the Bible etc..
The Islamic community, as a whole, FETES, WELCOMES, SUPPORTS, DIRECTLY ASSISTS & CONGRATULATES perpetrators of violence who do so in the name of Allah, or the Koran. At the very least, 'moderate' Muslims do not speak out in any significant way. Haram, don't you know...
When Tiller was murdered, ironically IN his church, you did not see Christians, Conservatives or anti-abortionists dancing in the streets or describing the murder as a 'victory'.
ShyAsrai at November 24, 2009 8:56 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/11/22/burka_barbie.html#comment-1678774">comment from ShyAsraiExactly right, ShyAsrai.
Amy Alkon
at November 24, 2009 9:20 AM
Moderate Muslims often go on NPR. And the Muslims I know personally condemn violence.
NicoleK at November 24, 2009 12:08 PM
Is there a little Ken Predator missle so we can kill the whole Burka Barbie wedding party without risking a single Amurcan life? ( I don;t know why those people hate us.)
Ron Cantrell at November 24, 2009 12:42 PM
Forgiving those nasty moslems misbehaviour is a mistake as they never improve their behaviour.
WLIL at November 24, 2009 12:57 PM
ShyAsrai writes: The Islamic community, as a whole, FETES, WELCOMES, SUPPORTS, DIRECTLY ASSISTS & CONGRATULATES perpetrators of violence who do so in the name of Allah, or the Koran. At the very least, 'moderate' Muslims do not speak out in any significant way. Haram, don't you know...
Personally, I think they celebrate more the imams who can con these young people into doing their dirty work. They're either skilled manipulators, or their pawns are amazing dupes. Perhaps both.
If someone were to tell me that if I were to kill myself by blowing up a bunch of innocent, I would be rewarded with 72 virgins with tempting vaginas, the first thing I'd say is, "If that's true, then why don't you do it?"
No, actually I'd say, "I'll take 72 bronzed Adonises instead, and I'm not picky about their virginity."
Patrick at November 24, 2009 7:57 PM
Over 600,000 Iraqi children were killed as a direct result of US sanctions on Iraq. Over 60,000 Iranian were killed by chemical weapons provided to Saddam by the US and allies. You worry about people innocent killing people? You do it in spades.
hass at November 30, 2009 11:04 AM
How about a Jewish Settler barbie, an idiotic East European squatters pretending to be a militant Hebrew terrorists living 5000 years int he past thinking they have the right to steal land and call themselves" "God's people."
Alkon is nothing but another judeofascist zionist hypocrite talking out of her behind. Ofcourse Zionist Jewish terrorists don't blow up restaurants ONLY, they bomb all of Gaza and Lebanon while calling anyone against their barbarism "anti-semitic."
As for "evidence based" belief, have you studied how utterly inhuman and ridiculous Judaism is? Just read the Talmud and we'll see who truly is evil.
Umimpressed at December 12, 2009 1:32 AM
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