Since When Is "Doing Right" By Somebody Glad-handing Them As They Break The Law?
The subhead on the LA Times' Hector Tobar-penned tripe about the illegal immigrant UCLA law student is "His family crossed the border illegally when he was an 8-year-old, but he has done everything right since then. Will his adopted country now do right by him?"
Yes, if it adheres to our immigration laws and deports him -- after making him sign a document pledging to pay back California and US taxpayers for any tuition subsidies they gave him.
Oh, and LA Times, he isn't "undocumented," he's an illegal alien. And the article reads like an opinion piece, not a news story. I can feel sorry for a guy who hasn't had the advantages I have as an America whose relatives immigrated here legally, but that doesn't mean we should look the other way in enforcing the law. As Milton Friedman said, we can't have open borders in a welfare state -- and we shouldn't have open borders, but the government seems uninterested in enforcing immigration laws. (In Mexico, being an illegal immigrant is a felony -- one that will get you thrown in prison.)
Tobar writes about the kid:
While he was still in high school, Perez lobbied state representatives for the passage of California Assembly Bill 540, which granted affordable, in-state college tuition to undocumented immigrants.After AB 540 became law in 2001, he enrolled at UCLA and eventually earned a B.A. in political science and then his law degree. He became a student leader and worked construction jobs on the weekends to help pay for his tuition. (He still holds a construction job, in part to pay off $3,000 in law school debt.)
$3K in law school debt? How did he have so little? Is it because the taxpayers picked up the cost of his schooling in grants and loans? At the very least, California taxpayers subsidized his education with in-state reduced rates.
A couple of the LA Times' commenters ask the questions and take the hard look "reporter" Tobar should have:
LAT commenter kurtiffrig at 7:19 AM November 28, 2010 writes:
THINGS A "REAL" INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER WOULD LOOK INTO...What was the source of Luis' six figure tuition?
How did he fill out his school application and loan or scholarship forms without a Social Security number?
What financial institution would give a scholarship, loan, grant to someone who had disclosed he would be legally unable to work in America after graduation?
How many "legal" Americans have been rejected from UCLA when Luis and other illegals were accepted?
Was Luis accepted to UCLA because of their unwritten but very real racial quota system?
LAT commenter He Wei Jin at 1:50 PM November 28, 2010 writes:
Another PC sob story from the LA Times. This young man and others like him came to this country illegally. They have received the benefits of an education at the expense of American and legal immigrant taxpayers to the detriment of their own children. Now they want to be rewarded for graduating high school or college by jumping to the head of the line for citizenship.The Dream Act is a slap in the face to legal law-abiding immigrants. Why not just throw open the borders to all comers, or should amnesty be limited to Hispanics?
What about citizens? They are the ones who bear the expense of educating the children of illegal immigrants, not to mention the other benefits that they receive from the public coffers. All of the costs associated with educating illegal immigrants are funds diverted from the education of American and legal immigrant students. Do the beneficiaries of the Dream Act propose to pay back the taxpayers for the money spent on them?
I could see providing a path to citizenship for those who serve honorably in the armed forces, but what is the benefit to giving citizenship to those whose only achievement is to graduate high school or college. And what do we need with another wanna-be lawyer?







Oh, my goodness! No mention of TSA today?
(clutching chest, Redd Foxx impression) "Ooooh, this is it! This is the big one! 'Lizabeth! I'm coming to join you, honey!"
Kidding aside, I totally agree. Kick his ass out. And fuck the P.C. stuff for illegal aliens. They're not "undocumented." They are criminals, plain and simple.
Patrick at November 29, 2010 2:14 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2010/11/29/since_when_is_d.html#comment-1790520">comment from PatrickForgot to post it, and we need to hotfoot it out of here for lunch with Gregg's Frog crime buddy Laurent. Peut-etre plus tard?
Amy Alkon
at November 29, 2010 3:15 AM
A futher question, how does he hold a construction job without a valid Social Security number? and if he's using someone else's, then he's committing idenity theft and is a common criminal.
Or his employer is the criminal, hiring an illegal alien.
I R A Darth Aggie at November 29, 2010 6:17 AM
Offtopic—
Yo, Raddy... Assess and report.
(And isn't there at least one postdoc biologist who visits this blog? Anyone? It would really be convenient.)
Yo, everybody else... Be very cautious on this Cyber Monday.
As you were.
Crid [cridcomment at gmail] at November 29, 2010 7:00 AM
You think that's bad?
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/09/01/feds-warn-us-citizens-off-interstate-in-arizona-controlled-by-mexican-drug-gangs/
The federal government has posted signs along a major interstate highway in Arizona, more than 100 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border, warning travelers the area is unsafe because of drug and alien smugglers, and a local sheriff says Mexican drug cartels now control some parts of the state.
biff at November 29, 2010 7:50 AM
If we're going to do this, at least we could require some service to the country in return, either military, or Americorp, or requiring him to give free or dicounted legal services in poor areas for a few years. At least that would make sense.
I don't have a problem offering a pathway to citizenship to someone, like this young man, with the discipline and drive to succeed. Those are the types of citizens we need. Ultimately, when he's successful, he'll be paying taxes into the system, and perhaps have his own law firm, which will employ people. It's the freeloaders, popping out babies, that are the real drain.
lovelysoul at November 29, 2010 7:58 AM
Granted he was eight when he was smuggled across the border. So he is not to blame. I would grant him citizenship -- at the same time I would find his parents and have them deported for human smuggling and whatever else I can come up with.
The quote that comes to mind is: But there's a bright side to this, and a moral. I think morals are good for you, I love morals, and the moral of this story is: If you're walkin' on eggs, don't hop.
If he is sucking up our resources and then whining about it -- kiss my ass. You are an illegal alien -- go through the process to become legal. And that includes going back to Mexico and applying for the visa.
What part of illegal do you not understand? Especially considering that your are a law student.
Jim P. at November 29, 2010 8:23 AM
what kind of lawyer would he make when he can't see the ethical dilemma here? herein is the problem, he doesn't SEE an ethical dilemma, he see's what most people call squatter's rights... if he stays here long enough, it'll be too complicated to kick him out. Actually that Blue Thunder quote is appropriate Jim... people stirring up trouble in the barrio. somewhere, someone has told people like this guy that he is high profile and he can use that to advantage to get other people amnesty or whatever push is in.
they say "see, see, here is a fine upstanding lawyer who made good, even though his parents brought him here illegally." Never mind his exceptional status... most of those kids don't bother with high school. The thing about getting citizenship with service in the armed forces, I can agree with, because they are providing PROOF that they wish to be citizens of this country. This kid on the other hand? Has proven that he knows how to take advantage of loopholes... I too want to know how he has done any of this without an SSN, and if he has been using a fake, then he should find himslef in jail for identity theft.
SwissArmyD at November 29, 2010 9:48 AM
What was Tobar thinking!? Yes, the kid is eight when he is brought into the U.S. Yes, he cannot be blamed for his parent's actions during those years. However, Perez was bright enough to see that in order to attain tuition and enrollment as an illegal he must take advantage of the Dream Act. His actions have put him in a place where he may have influence over laws and future Acts involving illegal immigration.
Law school debt of $3,000? How is that possible? I’m in a State University and my tuition is $1,500 a class! You can’t get a law degree or certification (like a paralegal) for $3,000. I can only speculate who paid the rest of this guy’s tuition.
Perez doesn’t deserve national recognition for his choices. I believe the U.S. immigration law needs to be adopted from Mexico. Some might say it will cost too much money to take care of the problem, but ignoring the problem is just bleeding money out of our hands too.
Miranda at November 29, 2010 10:56 AM
Ethics have nothing to do with laws. If you want proof, you can start with Kelo. The law is a rigged game. You play, you lose.
This guy has defrauded the taxpayers of California into subsidizing his education. The legal issue is not disputed. Those charged with enforcing the law are ignoring it because they think it will benefit them politically. What a surprise.
There are bigger criminals getting away with more. Charlie Rangel comes to mind first, but he's not alone.
MarkD at November 29, 2010 10:58 AM
Regarding the identity theft aspects of illegal immigration, in the instances where there is no financial loss, the victim still spends many hours and dollars to rectify the situation.
Sometimes, the victim also has to prove to government agencies including the IRS that their SS# was used by someone else an the taxes are owed by the suspect.
Stealing someone's Social Security Number is not the victimless crime some folks claim.
Tom at November 29, 2010 12:15 PM
The children smuggled across the border may not have made the decision themselves to break the law, but are here in violation of the law and should be deported along with the parents.
The goal of his parents has been achieved; they have successfully defrauded the United States of America. They cheated, lied, and stole from us to give their son a better life. Now this kid and his family (including any anchor children they have had since) should be prosecuted and deported.
This kid should fix the broken country he came from with the quality education he received courtesy of the American taxpayer.
Savant-Idiot at November 29, 2010 1:01 PM
I agree with lovelysoul. Granted I am against illegal immigration, but of all the millions of illegal immigrants we could and should be deporting, I hardly think that law students should be the first in line. This man has proven himself to be smart, motivated, and hardworking. I'd rather have him in our country than the millions of legal Americans who spend their entire lives on welfare and wouldn't dream of taking a construction job to pay the bills. Plus if he was educated on our country's dime shouldn't he stick around so that taxpayers can see a return on their investment?
I really like the idea of requiring military service for immigrants. What better way to prove you deserve to be in our country than by risking your life defending it? Prospective citizens would be required to serve 4-6 years, and those who had an aptitude would have the option of making a career out of it after the mandatory period.
Shannon at November 29, 2010 4:34 PM
what kind of lawyer would he make when he can't see the ethical dilemma here?
A great one.
kishke at November 29, 2010 4:53 PM
If they want to fund a worthwhile stimulus package they should spend the money hiring workers to build a big, secure border fence the entire length of the southern border with Mexico and also spend money on actually rounding up and depirting illegals. It would significantly reduce the strain on schools and other public services, open up a vast number of jobs to provide income for otherwise unemployed Americans. It really sickens me that our government is NOT enforcing the laws of this country even when it's right under their noses and publicly admitted to. It's shameful!!!
BunnyGirl at November 29, 2010 5:45 PM
> what kind of lawyer would he make when
> he can't see the ethical dilemma here?
> A great one.
Comment of the month.
We'll have Amy send you out an AGB windbreaker.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at November 29, 2010 5:51 PM
@bunnygirl - secure border fences work in both directions. I'd rather not be penned in.
I'm all for 4 years of military service in exchange for a clean slate and citizenship, for people who were smuggled over as kids. The "or go to college" part of the bill misses the mark wildly. Having done Americorps Vista in a demanding setting, I think that is too little to require, especially because in addition to being comparatively easy, it comes with a (small) education stipend and bestows federal hiring preference for a short time afterward.
On a related side note, I wish our government would reliably crack down on employers of illegal immigrants, collect large fines early and often, and thereby reduce the incentive for illegal hiring.
Michelle at November 29, 2010 9:51 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2010/11/29/since_when_is_d.html#comment-1790917">comment from MichelleThe "or go to college" part of the bill misses the mark wildly. Having done Americorps Vista in a demanding setting, I think that is too little to require, especially because in addition to being comparatively easy, it comes with a (small) education stipend and bestows federal hiring preference for a short time afterward. On a related side note, I wish our government would reliably crack down on employers of illegal immigrants, collect large fines early and often, and thereby reduce the incentive for illegal hiring.
Agree.
Amy Alkon
at November 29, 2010 10:05 PM
One of the things that struck me about the article was the lament that there was no immigration line for poor families...like his.
The implication seems to be that we are obligated to form a line to enable the unskilled and uneducated poor of another country to emigrate to our country.
If countries are obligated to provide opportunities for another country's unskilled and uneducated poor, can we send some of our less-productive citizens to another country?
Perhaps we start an exchange program with Mexico. Two professional wrestling fans for each farm laborer. A creationist for each busboy.
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This young man's parents were the exception, not the rule. They worked hard and raised their son to appreciate and take advantage of the opporutnities they stole for him. And he did. He worked hard to make something of himself. And we need more like them (both immigrant and native).
His parents may have given him an opportunity for a better life anyway. He's a graduate of a decent US university and law shool. He's well versed in American culture. Any Mexican law firm or corporation with extensive dealings in the US would probably be happy to have him - perhaps even sending him back here on a legally-obtained work visa.
Conan the Grammarian at November 30, 2010 5:18 PM
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