Welcome To Sharia
Think we're all a bunch of sillies, we who fear and loathe Sharia law? Check out the wages of Sharia -- a raped 14-year-old lashed to death for "adultery," as Farid Ahmed and Moni Basu report on CNN:
Hena was walking from her room to an outdoor toilet when Mahbub Khan gagged her with cloth, forced her behind nearby shrubbery and beat and raped her.Hena struggled to escape, Alya told CNN. Mahbub Khan's wife heard Hena's muffled screams and when she found Hena with her husband, she dragged the teenage girl back to her hut, beat her and trampled her on the floor.
The next day, the village elders met to discuss the case at Mahbub Khan's house, Alya said. The imam pronounced his fatwa. Khan and Hena were found guilty of an illicit relationship. Her punishment under sharia or Islamic law was 101 lashes; his 201. Mahbub Khan managed to escape after the first few lashes.
Darbesh Khan and Aklima Begum had no choice but to mind the imam's order. They watched as the whip broke the skin of their youngest child and she fell unconscious to the ground.
I'm reminded of those who call for "tolerance" of other belief systems. In a word: No.
via Steamer
What kind of sick and demented society is this?
Jim P. at March 31, 2011 11:08 PM
Of course he escaped, and of course they didn't hunt him down to finish the punishment. Meanwhile, the girl died from her 101 lashes - virtually no one is going to survive that.
It's the same with stoning: by Sharia law if you can escape, you are freed of the punishment. Funnily enough, women are buried to their necks, while men are only buried to their waists.
Barbarism in the modern world.
a_random_guy at March 31, 2011 11:30 PM
Think we're all a bunch of sillies, we who fear and loathe Sharia law?
If you fear it taking hold in the U.S., yes.
Christopher at March 31, 2011 11:58 PM
Who exactly are these people whom you are addressing who think Sharia law is peachy?
NicoleK at April 1, 2011 12:22 AM
ho hum fie fi fo fum....one more western media pointing fingers at the islamic world without setting its own house in order
......how about posting a similar article along with this where a man in america got beaten to death because of a false accusation of rape by some woman? Or how about that article where a man in Japan was falsely accused of groping some woman in some train despite the existence of female only coaches and of course the female still chose to go in the general coach(to probably molest some men) in the train and he was beaten up by the other commuters and the man committed suicide after that.
I am sure the frequency of such incidents equals the frequency of the islamic incidents mentioned in the article.
Redrajesh at April 1, 2011 4:14 AM
I am sure the frequency of such incidents equals the frequency of the islamic incidents mentioned in the article.
REALLY? Stats, please. Proof positive, otherwise you're talking out of your arse.
There are by FAR more incidences in the Islamic world of unfair/unwarranted abuse visited on children and women than in any other society today. Count on it.
Want proof?
http://www.jihadwatch.com
Flynne at April 1, 2011 5:31 AM
ne more western media pointing fingers at the islamic world without setting its own house in order
......how about posting a similar article along with this where a man in america got beaten to death because of a false accusation of rape by some woman?
Oh, please.
I am one of the few out there who's very concerned with men's rights and post frequently about abuses of them.
The difference is, these incidents you speak of are not facilitated by law -- they are against the law. While, in Islamic countries, women are regularly stoned to death if they are raped -- under Islam.
These incidents you speak of are horrible, but they are isolated incidents -- and against the law. And again, I regularly post about abuses where a man is falsely accused of rape and how the accuser should pay with the same jail time he would have been in for. Perhaps you shouldn't waste your time accusing me, of all people, of unfairness to men.
Amy Alkon at April 1, 2011 5:35 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/04/01/welcome_to_shar.html#comment-1991685">comment from Amy AlkonJust got this by e-mail from a reader here:
Yes, when's the last time any Jew or Christian you know put their neighbor to death for adultery or for wearing two different fabrics?
Amy Alkon at April 1, 2011 6:25 AM
The comment I left under Pitts' ridiculous column:
Amy Alkon at April 1, 2011 6:30 AM
one more western media pointing fingers at the islamic world without setting its own house in order
You mean like this? oh, wait, no, that's not what you meant.
Perhaps this news from Durham, NC? oh, wait, the accused men are allowed to continue to sue the ever-lovin' snot out of their false accusers.
Sorry, I don't have any links like you suggest. Not today, anyway. Perhaps tomorrow will be your day?
I R A Darth Aggie at April 1, 2011 7:00 AM
You know what....the principle of clean hands does not allow you to say that what I have done is bad, but it is not as bad as what you have done so I can point fingers at you. This is what Judge Judy says.
"and against the law" - when the law is flouted in every instance and nothing happens to those who flout it repeatedly, the phrase against the law loses all significance.
I admire your posting frequently about men being abused and that is primarily the reason I visit this site. So too for Dr Helen Smith and Wendy McElroy and I salute all of you for that. I admire real women like you on any given day especially since you take the pain to be principled and politically incorrect and use your position to benefit us poor men with no benefit to yourselves and I thank you all for the same. I just hate western media which does all this fingerpointing crap.
Redrajesh at April 1, 2011 7:51 AM
Sorry, not western media....I meant mainstream media.
Redrajesh at April 1, 2011 7:52 AM
In Great Britain, a Saudi Prince was convicted of killing his servant, who he was in a homosexual relationship with. He was convicted of the murder, not the sex.
In Saudi Arabia, a British male nurse working for the King's hospital was (in apparent retaliation) arrested, tortured, and threatened with beheading for committing a homosexual act.
I can see where Redrajesh can be confused.
Eric at April 1, 2011 7:59 AM
This is prejudice and fear mongering. Ignorant, supersitious villagers on the other side of the world may call it Sharia, the newspapers may call it that, but that doesn't make it accurate. Our legal system would never allow such a travesty of justice by such ignorant imam's, right? Oh, I forgot the lynchings of black men under Southern vigilante law.
Educated Muslims must be distinguished from ignorant ones; same as for anyone. There are travesties of justices in all systems. The systems are used imperfectly. That doesn't mean that the systems are horrible. Universal ideals include justice for all. Look for what is right and works; don't focus on the aberrant travesties.
Dee at April 1, 2011 8:06 AM
>> This is prejudice and fear mongering.
So are you saying this report is untrue in some way?
Eric at April 1, 2011 8:40 AM
Universal ideals include justice for all.
EXCEPT for Islam. Are you not payint attention, for some reason??
To wit, Amy's column from just yesterday, Silence: How Peaceful Muslims Collaborate With The Islamists and this posting on another site that she quotes:
Dom, another commenter on Yahoo, has some wisdom to add:
Other religions, including Christianity, have had brutal and violent pasts, although I would argue that the use of suicide as a tactic against the innocent is unique to, and uniquely indicts, Islam (other religions have always lionized those who sacrifice their lives to save others - only Islam celebrates those who sacrifice themselves to kill others).
However, we cannot judge the past by the standards of the present. Past misdeeds in the name of other religions do not excuse current misdeeds in the name of Islam. Only modern Islam, surely a religion in arrested development, retains this medieval culture of cruelty and death - from its overt and harsh misogyny, to its brutal treatment of supposed infidels, blasphemers and apostates, to its glorification of self-immolation in the service of death to others."
(I put it in boldface.)
Flynne at April 1, 2011 8:49 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/04/01/welcome_to_shar.html#comment-1991906">comment from DeeIgnorant, supersitious villagers on the other side of the world may call it Sharia, the newspapers may call it that, but that doesn't make it accurate.
And you are informed about Islam -- or just prefer that that not be true?
Here, dear:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/002-rape_adultery.htm
Amy Alkon at April 1, 2011 8:58 AM
"Our legal system would never allow such a travesty of justice by such ignorant imam's, right? Oh, I forgot the lynchings of black men under Southern vigilante law"
Oh for fuck's sake.
Yes, that has happened in the history of the United States. Yes it is a shameful and black mark on our legal system. But lynchings are now illegal. The perpetrators are breaking the law. The US law does not approve or countenance lynchings. Someone who does this is not engaging in lawful behavior. As a society we decided such things were not acceptable and so now they are illegal.
This girl being whipped to death was within the law. It was carried out by the law. Their society has not deemed this unacceptable. This is a lot less (by several orders of magnitude) aberrant than it is in Western Culture. She was whipped. to. death. for being raped and beaten.
"Or how about that article where a man in Japan was falsely accused of groping some woman in some train ... he was beaten up by the other commuters and the man committed suicide after that."
Yes that is ceraintly equivalent to being beaten, gang-raped, beaten again and then being WHIPPED TO DEATH as the just and legal action for being RAPED and BEATEN.
I cannot even *believe* there are people with intelligence and civilization to use the internet are in any way defending a culture that allows a young girl to suffer and die like this.
And just to be clear: The two of you are okay with a fourteen year old girl - one who would just be finishing junior high here in America - being punished - by their LEGAL system - for being gang-raped and having that punishment be sentanced to an extraordinarily painful way to die. And you are okay with this - with a court of law that allows and enforces this - because the USA used to have lynchings and because a Japanese man was beaten up and comitted suicide.
At least the Bangladeshi people have more sense than you:
http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a201899.html
(Sorry for the length all. Rage kinda increases my verbosity like that)
Elle at April 1, 2011 9:44 AM
I'm saying how individual communities interpret and carry out their beliefs and laws is not grounds for viewing the entire religion. Are all Baptists and Christians to be viewed as the Westboro Baptists are (that disrupt funerals)? Are all Jews to be viewed in the light of the extremist settlers who believe that the entire land of "Canaan" belongs to the Jews by God-given rights, and that takes precedence over other considerations?
Anyone who chooses fear-mongering can always find aberrant travesties to prove their points about the "others" and the systems they live by. Certainly this is done by Islamic fanatics about the U.S. our with capitalism, greed, democracy, and waging wars in the Middle East, etc.
What's the point of the fear-mongering? It's divisive, increases conflict, and doesn't actually help resolve anything. That's not what I want.
Dee at April 1, 2011 9:51 AM
The world is full of bad people, ignoring this fact or refusing to point it out is the same as condoning it. Our "mainstream media" has lost all credibility with me in this regard, the white-washing, politically correct blind eye refusal to pound this into the ground disgusts me.
jksisco at April 1, 2011 9:59 AM
I'm saying how individual communities interpret and carry out their beliefs and laws is not grounds for viewing the entire religion. Are all Baptists and Christians to be viewed as the Westboro Baptists are (that disrupt funerals)? Are all Jews to be viewed in the light of the extremist settlers who believe that the entire land of "Canaan" belongs to the Jews by God-given rights, and that takes precedence over other considerations?
NOT the same thing. You're deliberately being obtuse. Please read this again (here, I'll bold it for you):
Other religions, including Christianity, have had brutal and violent pasts, although I would argue that the use of suicide as a tactic against the innocent is unique to, and uniquely indicts, Islam (other religions have always lionized those who sacrifice their lives to save others - only Islam celebrates those who sacrifice themselves to kill others).
Flynne at April 1, 2011 10:09 AM
The difference is that beating him to death was against the law under Western law.
Lashing a rape victim or stoning an adulterer is the law under Sharia.
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A weakness or failing in the people and institutions meant to enforce the law is not the moral equivalent of an unfairness or cruelty built into the law.
Conan the Grammarian at April 1, 2011 10:25 AM
Lynching is rarely about the law. It's a fear-driven reaction to social and economic instability and a method of social control.
The rise of Sharia in the Middle East is also about fear and instability. Men, fearing the loss of their place in the social order and seeing economic opportunities dwindling, stone women to intimidate them and keep them afraid and docile.
A shoemaker in the Middle East sees cheap shoes from the West and Asia on the shelves of local store and realizes his livelihood is evaporating. His wife, also seeing his livelihood evaporating, begins urging him to do something. Buffeted by both sides and unable to stop the flow of cheap imported shoes, he takes it out on the only target he can hit, his wife and/or other women in the village.
And lynching was not just a Southern thing.
Lynchings in the early years of the western United States were not about punishing criminals. Instead, they were generally as motivated by racism and partisan political dimensions as lynchings in the South and Midwest. In reality, lynching in the Old West was less a substitute for an absent legal system and more a social control mechanism, generally favoring a particular social class or racial group. Lynching stemmed more from social instability and a desire for property and status than from a desire to impose law and order.
Lynching were carried out in San Francisco by the San Francisco Vigilance Movement, often portrayed as a response to corrupt government and rampant crime in the city, but actually more about social control. The Vigilance Movement had a strongly nativist tinge and initially focused its efforst against the Irish. The movement later evolved into mob violence against Chinese and Mexican immigrants.
Many Mexicans living in California during the Gold Rush were experienced miners and many enjoyed success mining gold. Their success aroused the animosity of white prospectors who used threats of violence (and acts of violence) to intimidate Mexican miners. Between 1848 and 1860, at least 163 Mexicans were lynched in California alone.
Incidents of lynching Italian immigrants occured in the South as well as in New York, Pennsylvania, and Colorado.
Then there's the Johnson County War, a dispute over land in 1890s Wyoming. Large ranchers hired mercenaries to intimidate and/or lynch smaller ranchers whom they accused of being "cattle rustlers" to justify the violence.
Conan the Grammarian at April 1, 2011 11:06 AM
"Our legal system would never allow such a travesty of justice by such ignorant imam's, right? Oh, I forgot the lynchings of black men under Southern vigilante law."
Yep, that's right, get in a dig at whitey. That someone at some point in history did something wrong, does not excise those who do wrong now.
"that's not what I want"
This sentence explains everything one needs to know about you. You WANT the world to be all fair and equal and pie in the sky. Unfortunately for you, Islam simply isn't going to go along with that. SO you are going to make up whatever comparisons needed to help you keep your skewed world view.
momof4 at April 1, 2011 11:23 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/04/01/welcome_to_shar.html#comment-1992300">comment from DeeAre all Baptists and Christians to be viewed as the Westboro Baptists are (that disrupt funerals)?
There are, like, six people in the Westboro Baptist Church, all members of the guy's family, I believe. They're just jerks - not reflective of Christianity. Read the Quran, it's an evil book, with a failsafe switch -- you are not allowed to question it, and it is to be taken as the word of god.
Amy Alkon at April 1, 2011 11:40 AM
"What's the point of the fear-mongering? It's divisive, increases conflict, and doesn't actually help resolve anything. That's not what I want." . . . from Dee . . .
Does not translate to:
"You WANT the world to be all fair and equal and pie in the sky." . . . from momof4 . . .
However,
"This sentence explains everything one needs to know about you" . . .
Tells us much about you.
'They're pointing out the enemy to keep ya deaf and blind . . .'
railmeat at April 1, 2011 11:41 AM
"Are all Baptists and Christians to be viewed as the Westboro Baptists are"
If the Westboro Baptist Church had, say, 20 million active members, you would have to consider it representative of the Baptist denomination at least. Wahhabist Islam is the majority form of Islam in Saudi Arabia, and what little data exists has shown pretty consistently that the tenants of Wahhabism enjoy widespread popular support in most Arab nations.
Cousin Dave at April 1, 2011 11:43 AM
More peaceful killings from the Religion of Peace:
(Warning: it makes for very unpleasant reading.)
(Apologies if this is a dupe -- I blame the spamfilter.)
Hey Skipper at April 1, 2011 12:18 PM
The Bible as allegory and metaphor is a recent development, there certainly have been times when it was taken more literally than today. So the question is, what would it take for the large numbers of Wahabi and other fundamentalists to swing to a more gentle view of Islam?
Is part of the problem that there is no central authority, as in Catholicism?
NicoleK at April 1, 2011 2:16 PM
"Is part of the problem that there is no central authority, as in Catholicism?"
Part of the problem, and also part of the solution, I think. Centralized (and 'infallible') authority in the Catholic Church led to terrible abuses in the past (Crusades, inquisition) and arguably are still the source of abuses today (sexual abuse scandals). On the other hand, the distributed authority of Islam does allow extreme elements to run pretty wild, with little restraint. And it is true that this extreme form of Islam has taken deep root in many societies in the ME.
But there are moderates, and not just deluded fools, as some have suggested. These cooler heads may prevail . . . . someday.
But we help this process not at all, by demonizing *all* Islam, and by doing so, press these moderate elements into difficult, if not completely untenable positions.
railmeat at April 1, 2011 4:43 PM
railmeat, I fail to see how pointing out an actual occurence actually REQUIRED by their law, is being divisive. Unless you're saying the muslims were the divisive ones, in which case I'd agree with you.
Any time one says "That's not what I want" about the world, it's because they have some fairyland view of how things "ought" to be, and they will by-god MAKE things fit it IME.
momof4 at April 1, 2011 4:47 PM
If there were really moderates in islamic community, they would not be so easily offended by any criticism or nonsupport from nonbelievers.
The fact is those islamics tend to be more extremist, even after they get all the help that they can get from the western civilisation.
The problems is there are no real moderates as I noted. They are either obsessed with covering up for their ideology or obssesed about displaying their socalled islamic modesty, which is unreal when you noted how arrogantly nasty or irrationally boastful most of their islamic leaders are known to be.
Those socalled moderates are either powerless to be islamic extremist or displayed their socalled moderatenss in order to gain whatever support from gullible nonbelievers.
WLIL at April 1, 2011 5:44 PM
A weakness or failing in the people and institutions meant to enforce the law is not the moral equivalent of an unfairness or cruelty built into the law. - even this instance is only a weakness or failing in the people and institutions mean to enforce the law.
The punishment for rape in islam is beheading of the man. Just that the institution meant to enforce changed it to adultery and gave the punishment for the same.
Just like what happens in america all the time to men who are stabbed or shot by their wives and get arrested and thrown out of their house on charges of DV and then bankrupted by their earnings being taken by the state to give to the person who stabbed/shot him.
Redrajesh at April 4, 2011 11:50 PM
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