Ugly Islam
Via MEMRI TV, top clerics and Arab officials spew hideously ugly anti-Semitism -- and make it clear that they'd hate Jews and call for their death regardless of the existence of the state of Israel.
(The Jew hatred is written into the Quran, far predating the existence of the state of Israel, as more than one of these vile Jew haters make clear.)
This video needs to go viral to show the "COEXIST" people how silly and naive they are. I'll coexist with anybody who believes in any sort of ridiculous stuff -- providing they don't want me and others dead. Unfortunately, while Jesus tells Christians to turn the other cheek, Islam commands Muslims to convert or slaughter the infidel.
On the video, watch the imam teaching children to hate Jews, and hoping their mothers will compel them to do Jihad. They have claymation of the Jews who have transformed into apes.
See them blame the Jews for "provoking Hitler," and hear a Lebanese official rejoice about the mass murder of the Jews in the Holocaust.
The last guy, in the Italian tablecloth-like red headdress, again and again trumpeting the death and "humiliation" of the Jews in the Holocaust, is one of the ugliest things I've ever experienced.
All in all, vile, ugly stuff.
The natural state of religion (ie when its not hindered by the state or other societal institutions) is barbarism. Catholicism was engaging in whatever despotic practices it could get away with before the Reformation and Enlightenment. Evidence for this trait today is the recent vote to legalize divorce in Malta (the Church ran a No campaign) or attemtping to prevent gay marriage in the States. Yes, Islam is no friend to freedom, but neither is any of the other religions either (look at the Old Testament to see Judaism's checkered past). Islam just hasn't been hobbled by a version of the Enlightnenment.
Andrew Hall at June 19, 2011 4:33 AM
Man, that is some serious hate. It's shocking that people can be so stupid. I'm with Andrew. Religion is a disgusting thing. STOP TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN THIS BULLSHIT! I do agree with Amy that Islam is particularly venomous among the World's many disgusting religions.
whistleDick at June 19, 2011 5:12 AM
That's radical Islam thats just Islam.
such a tolerant open minded religion of "peace"
Greg at June 19, 2011 8:01 AM
I showed this to a JEWISH woman whose family I believe had been affected by the Holocaust. She attacked me for being no different in my extremism. Hence, to show a video of monsters who want you dead is as reprehensible as those who are working hard to kill you. This is why Islam will conquer the world unless the hallucinatory tide of breathtakingly weak-minded political correctness does not end soon.
BTW, the argument that you'll hear against this video: (1) This is a small minority of extremists who have hijacked the "religion of peace." Nothing could be further from the truth; (2) There is evil genocidal speech among other religious groups. Nothing could be further from the truth.
This video is STANDARD Islamic doctrine. I grew up in the Middle East and faced this stuff regularly.
disgusted I must remain anonymous at June 19, 2011 8:11 AM
Yes, Islam is no friend to freedom, but neither is any of the other religions either
I am so frelling sick of the "Christians (or Hindus, or Budhists) did it a thousand years ago, so they are JUST AS BAD!!!1!!11!"
Screw that noise. This isn't about Christianity, or Jainists, or Shinto or any one of a hundred other religions we could name. This isn't even about a RELIGION. It is about ISLAM, a Totalitarian Regime masquerading as a religion in order to control the unwashed masses.
Get with the program, Andrew.
Kat at June 19, 2011 9:09 AM
Yes, Islam is no friend to freedom, but neither is any of the other religions either (look at the Old Testament to see Judaism's checkered past). Islam just hasn't been hobbled by a version of the Enlightnenment.
Thanks, Kat - I forgot to comment on that (needed coffee at the time I read it). In Communism, they'd refer to people who said stuff like this as "useful idiots."
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm
Christians did horrible things to Jews during the Inquisition. Germans did horrible things to Jews during the Holocaust. If you are not now preaching the death of others who do not believe as you do, I'm not going to judge you by "sins of the father" or by what primitive stuff is written in the primitive book which now basically means that you celebrate Christmas instead of some other holiday.
I tell Jews all the time that I'm "post-Jewish" and a "godless harlot." They laugh. They don't do as is required under Islam -- and which happens with frequency -- slaughter the apostate.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 9:20 AM
Those who are not informed about Islam (I've been reading extensively since 9/11) should not lecture us about how Christianity is barbaric, too.
By the way, Christians like my friend T. give money to help the poor of any religion. They only need be poor. Muslim "charity" is mainly supposed to go to Jihad and on a lesser note, to poor people who are Muslim. Not to others.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 9:22 AM
More on that here:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/027-disaster-relief.htm
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 9:23 AM
Maybe I'd feel differently if I was Jewish, but this spittle-spewing is so over the top that it's comical. That clown in the red keffiyeh must know that Israel has kicked Muslim ass many, many times in the past, and will do so again if need be. He must know that 15 million Jews contribute more to science & civilization in one afternoon than a billion Muslims do in a year. He must know that the existence of a tiny thriving Israel is a lens that magnifies the failures of the Muslim world. No wonder he is so thrilled by the idea of vicarious vengeance via Hitler. Pathetic.
Martin at June 19, 2011 9:41 AM
When a devastating earthquake struck Haiti in 2010, the religion that claims 1.5 billion members contributed a whopping one tenth of one percent of all donations or, as Andrew McCarthy put it, "basically, a rounding error for a Saudi sheikh’s weekend in Vegas."
As opposed to what the US did, which was send money, food, clean water, medical supplies *and* the doctors to treat patients. I know, my husband was one of those soldiers deployed to Haiti, and they worked around the clock to see patients in the clinic they set up there for over a month. So were a lot of Christian orgs. THEY helped, and asked for nothing in return.
So back to the original point, this has nothing to do with religion. It is about a codified totalitarian regime, using religion as it's camoflage. If you look at the koran in the same way as Mao's Little Red Book, you can see the similarities.
Kat at June 19, 2011 9:43 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2285343">comment from MartinMaybe I'd feel differently if I was Jewish, but this spittle-spewing is so over the top that it's comical. That clown in the red keffiyeh must know that Israel has kicked Muslim ass many, many times in the past, and will do so again if need be.
Remember that Muslims have wide illiteracy and many lack education beyond religious education. Brigitte Gabriel talked about how she believed the teachings of hate against the Jews -- until her Lebanese mother was cared for in a Jewish hospital. Aayan Hirsi-Ali also talks of being schooled in hate against the Jews. These are intelligent women.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 9:59 AM
1860 called. They want their hillbilly beard back.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at June 19, 2011 12:04 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2285599">comment from Gog_Magog_Carpet_ReclaimersHah, love that Gog. I says that about Orthodox Jews: "1865 Poland called. They want their look back."
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 12:15 PM
Great, another story about how someone hates the jews. This shit gets old between the history channel, the news, and the 30 movies that come out a year that demand that I feel sorry for them, They are the 3rd rail of politics and tv, if you say one word about anything that is not pro jewish you are smeared and will never see the political daylight ever again. They use the holocaust like a shield to push their political will. So why should i feel bad for a group of people that control almost every aspect of politics and media.....I Dont. Maybe the sooner you guys realize this the sooner you will realize that the wars and everything going on in the middle east isnt not about u, its about what Israel wants.
Corbo at June 19, 2011 12:58 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2285710">comment from Corboif you say one word about anything that is not pro jewish you are smeared and will never see the political daylight ever again.
I'm highly critical of circumcision, which I find barbaric and primitive and I've managed to continue just fine. Just to name one example.
This is a group of people advocating the violent death of another group (oh, don't think those who are non-Jews but non-Muslims are exempt. They're just hated less but also slated for conversion or death in the Quran - see Sura 9:5).
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 1:03 PM
People like this exists in all faiths, you'd be naive to think otherwise. Wahabbi fundamentalists are far out there yet the US gov continues their support for the House of Saud... oil sure is a hell of a drug.
Good news is these radicals only represent a small majority of crazies and the day will come when the good people of all faiths will rise up against these hypocritical-lying-racist-fat cat mofo's at the top
truth at June 19, 2011 1:16 PM
This term "anti-semitism" hurts me at a very deep logical level. Does no one realise that Arabs ARE Semites?
Vincent Veidt at June 19, 2011 1:41 PM
"This term "anti-semitism" hurts me at a very deep logical level. Does no one realise that Arabs ARE Semites?"
I hate it when someone drops this argument. The words was invented to refer to hatred against Jews. Every once in a while some fool throws out the argument that Arabs can't be antisemitic since Arabs are Semites. They then sit back like they scored some great point instead of realizing they just said something monumentally stupid. Would using a word like Judeophobia stop this stupidity ...maybe, but from its inception till today antisemitism has always been used to refer to hatred of Jews.
Schmo at June 19, 2011 2:01 PM
Is it me or does is it weird to group 1.5 billion people's beliefs in a 20 minute hate rant as an example of how intolerant they all are?
I dont understand this need for people to research the Quoran or old testament or whatever to "prove" what they are REALLY up to. Most of the asshole radicals are well known because they can't shut their mouths, and hopefully we'll all see what assholes they are and start changing the world
Harry at June 19, 2011 2:05 PM
Well i don't know if Islam is barbaric or not but i do know that Christianity carries the guilt of genocide with them for what happened to the native Americans i do not know if Islam has anything in there history to feel bad about that's worse then that. fyi im a catholic so im good at guilt :P
James at June 19, 2011 2:05 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2285944">comment from SchmoBelieve me, I thought about people who say that about "anti-Semitism" when I wrote that, but I thought about what "Schmo" is saying above and went through with using it. I use terms as they're commonly used, because they're recognized and understood by people as commonly used.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 2:05 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2285961">comment from HarryIs it me or does is it weird to group 1.5 billion people's beliefs in a 20 minute hate rant as an example of how intolerant they all are?
All Muslims, of course, don't think this way (many are clueless as to what an utterly evil book the Quran was or what an utterly evil, raping, mass-murdering pedophile Mohammed was). The thing is, there are failsafes built into Islam that exist in no other religion. The Quran is to be taken literally and unquestioningly as the word of god, and Mohammed's words and deeds are to be emulated. Mohammed, again, was a mass-murdering, child violating psychopath.
Islam is practiced by a good many people as a religion, but it is truly totalitarianism masquerading as religion, commanding the conversion or violent death of all who do not believe as they do. I have a problem with that. If you don't, what the hell kind of person are you?
PS I'm no fan of any religion, but again, Jews who hear I've left the religion and that I find circumcision barbaric and primitive are under no mandate to slaughter me for insulting the religion or leaving it. Heard of Theo Van Gogh?
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 2:10 PM
Dear Amy,
I find this video just as disgusting as you do. In no way can such hatred speech be justified.
Still, I am also a Muslim. I love Jews (Israeli girls are quite hot!), Christians or any other kind of religious and non-religious people. And I hate it, but also understand why I have to say the latter with the video in mind.
This kind of speech is a compensation for the failure they are themselves. They are trying to justify their own failure by blaming the Jews all sorts of evil. And I don't like that a bit.
Unfortunately, these video's don't show people like me. People that are at peace with others and so also with themselves.
Awais at June 19, 2011 2:24 PM
Is it me or does is it weird to group 1.5 billion people's beliefs in a 20 minute hate rant as an example of how intolerant they all are?
You know Harry, its a shame you arent a little more wiered out that out of the 1.5 billion muslims who dont commit acts of terror and barbarism they dont say anything against those of their faith who do. Aside from the dozen or so how are under kill orders for already doing so.
Instead of focusing on how many arent commiting acts of hatered and violence focus on how many arent doing a damn thing to stop the hatred and violence - the numbers are almost identical
lujlp at June 19, 2011 2:28 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286017">comment from AwaisAwais, thank you so much for posting here. I am well-aware that this is not a position of all Muslims, and that a vast many Muslims in America are not even aware of what the Quran really says. I used to think of Islam as just a different flavor of religion -- strawberry to Judaism's chocolate and Christianity's vanilla -- until 9/11, after which I started reading pretty extensively on it, and was extremely disturbed by what I discovered.
Do you think there's a way to have a "reformation" in Islam akin to that in the Christian faiths?
Also, can you give any explanation for why we don't hear people who find this stuff reprehensible speaking up?
I'm an atheist, and if atheists spoke in favor of murdering believers, I'd be the first to march against them. I just don't understand the silence from peaceful Muslims who object to this sort of stuff -- unless it can be explained by Islam's call to kill apostates and insulters of the religion. Can it?
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 2:32 PM
lujlp,
That's like saying that every Catholic should apologize for the wrong doings of some. Or that gun owners should apologize for the act of one craze bastard.
Do not forget the fact the the number one victims of (Islamic) terrorists are muslims. (Pakistani's to be precise.)
Awais at June 19, 2011 2:33 PM
You might be interested in the same teachings that happen in Israel as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrWFg6S-Xas
Those "coexist" people you refer to are in fact the rationalist people who believe it's possible
and want to get along together. This Imam and his friends, and the haters from Jewish/Israeli
side which are in this video, need to be pushed back to the edges of public attention.
These people, at both sides, remind me of the Nazis who tried to exterminate my grandparents
several decades ago. It is utterly frightening what has become of some of the Israelis, not
just of the radical Muslims.
By the way: The right-wing people in Israel like to call me opinion "de-legitimization" of
Zionism or of the State of Israel. Being a proud Israeli citizen, having volunteered and served
in the IDF for many years, I'm just doing what I was taught to do: I look at myself, at my
state, and I try to improve it through criticism. Because criticism is what has improved and
still continues to improve me, and it's the only way to improve the state of Israel.
Daniel at June 19, 2011 2:38 PM
Amy, the thing is: a lot of muslims actually do. But there is no sensation in nuance. It doesn't get any attention. I mean, I tweet on a regular basis for instance on gay rights...
I do believe that a reformation within the Islam would be healthy, but I also believe in a world where people are getting more educated, in a global world where people are more exposed to each other than ever before, this reformation will come. I even want to go this far by saying it is happening. People like myself, who are Muslim but also speak out against hate from Muslims against others.
I want to go even further by saying, if that is what people think Islam is, than I'm not a Muslim. I have my beliefs, and they do not match theirs. Spirituality goes further than labels. It's something that connects beyond languages and borders. Like Jeff Buckley and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan connected trough music...
Awais at June 19, 2011 2:43 PM
Fuck Jews
Tommy at June 19, 2011 3:13 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286157">comment from DanielYou might be interested in the same teachings that happen in Israel as well:
There are, like, 12 nutbag Jews and about six nutbag Christians (Westboro Baptist Church) who preach really hateful rhetoric, but these religions as a whole do not have pronouncements commanding the death of the rest of us -- pronouncements that are not to be questioned (as the Quran is not to be). Do you hear Christian preachers commanding the slaughter of Muslims and Jews? Are Christian pre-schools preaching hate like this?
Come on, why the apologia for this stuff?
And please note that I'm an atheist, and find any belief, sans evidence, in god silly and childish. But, if you want to believe in god or the tooth fairy or that Sagittarius has relevance to your life, I'll think you're dippy, but if your belief doesn't include commands to mass murder nonbelievers, have at it.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 3:23 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286163">comment from DanielBecause criticism is what has improved and still continues to improve me, and it's the only way to improve the state of Israel.
Criticism is allowed in Israel. Here's how criticizing Islam worked out for a Russian Orthodox priest:
http://incognito73.instablogs.com/entry/russian-orthodox-priest-killed-for-criticizing-islam/
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 3:25 PM
Ultra-orthodox Jewish Israelis and radical Muslims from Palestine and neighbouring states are equally violent, intolerant, and insane, in my opinion. What Israel is doing to Palestinians is criminal, and should not be tolerated by the rest of the world, as much as we should not tolerate Islamic terrorism.
Arthur Dent at June 19, 2011 3:49 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286246">comment from Arthur DentThe Israelis live in peace with any Arabs that don't seek to run them into the sea. Here's the problem, from the old saying: If the Muslims lay down their arms, there will be peace. If the Jews lay down theirs, they'll all be dead.
See the video. Those in it say WHETHER OR NOT ISRAEL EXISTED they'd want the Jews dead. Vile.
Also, see homosexuality under Islam:
http://www.mererhetoric.com/2007/09/24/photographs-to-help-explain-why-there-are-no-homosexuals-in-iran-content-warning-graphic-photos-updated-video-added/
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 4:02 PM
This is a despicable showing of Muslim ignorance and bigotry.
You would think people being brought up in this day and age would not be so ignorant and hateful.
Do they have any concept of how much these attitudes and teachings will cause them to be despised around the world among people who are not so backward and hateful?
Their teachings appear to be aimed at childish and stupid minds, is this what Arabs and Muslims are?
I have known fine people who have a Muslim or Arab background living in the West who are not like this, but it seems their breatheren who remain in the Arab world are backward, stupid, hateful, ignorant children.
How else can they be regarded?
Leslie Schwartz at June 19, 2011 4:02 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286254">comment from Leslie SchwartzI have known fine people who have a Muslim or Arab background living in the West who are not like this,
As do I.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 4:04 PM
'People like this exists in all faiths, you'd be naive to think otherwise.'
Oh ya, I see Christians with bombs strapped to them all the time...
crella at June 19, 2011 4:19 PM
Sticks and stones...
I don't agree with these guys one bit and I think they are a despicable bunch. They are unsophisticated. Arabs kill one Israeli and brag about it and talk about how many more they are going. HA! Like that is going to be easy. They are dumb. They should learn from the Israelis.
Look at the millions of arabs that Israel has disenfranchised and the huge numbers they have killed. They (Israelis) keep their mouths shut. Whenever they are reported as having done something illegal/war crime by international law/etc. they are "checking on it...", nothing ever happens to the perpetrators. They have a very sophisticated propaganda machine, they have learned well.
There are idiots, bigots and unscrupulous people everywhere and in every religion, country, organization. They have their individual agendas, only they know what it is. So out of 1.5 Billion people, its easy to find a very large number of haters/idiots/whatever you want to call them. But assuming that all 1.5Billion are just like them or even agree with them, would be falling for the very clever propaganda machine.
TV at June 19, 2011 5:18 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286393">comment from TVSo out of 1.5 Billion people, its easy to find a very large number of haters/idiots/whatever you want to call them. But assuming that all 1.5Billion are just like them or even agree with them, would be falling for the very clever propaganda machine.
Actually, I've been studying the Quran and Hadith and Islam in general since 9/11, and the problem is that the hatred and orders to convert or kill the infidel are an integral part of the religion.
Again, as I noted above, the Quran, unlike the Bible, is to be taken literally. (If the Bible were taken literally, we'd have people stoning their neighbors for adultery and having naughty children put to death.)
As Westerners, we want to believe that all beliefs are okay. I believed this myself until I started studying Islam and learned about Mohammed. Would people exalt Jesus if he were a mass murdering pedophile and a psychopath? Mohammed was. He called for the slaughter of masses of people, and killed to get men out of the way when he wanted a woman. He was a vile and amoral man. I'm not a Christian but I can get on board with Jesus' "Feed the poor" and "Turn the other cheek."
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 5:35 PM
@TV
If you think Israel is bad, just wait until Hamas takes over. Look at Israels neighbors, or even the region from Morocco to Indonesia, where islam is the state promoted, state protected ideology, which cannot be criticized, contradicted or challenged. Look at the number of arabs that arab countries have disenfranchised and the huge numbers they have killed. They (Muslim heads of state) keep their mouths shut. Whenever they are reported as having done something illegal/war crime by international law/etc. they are "checking on it...", nothing ever happens to the perpetrators. They have a very sophisticated propaganda machine, they have learned well. How many arabs have died in Israel since Israel was created? As many as a bad week in Sudan, maybe? As Awais stated, the vast majority of victims are muslim on muslim violence...but few organizations dare mention that, or dare investigate it. Why is it? Where are all those tolerant muslims protesting it? Where are the turkish "peace activists" when thousands of syrian arab muslims are killed by syrian arab muslim soldiers? Hitler and Mao started as "a tiny minority of extremits, who hijacked an idea", and look what was the result...and they didn't have 1.5 billion backers.
biff at June 19, 2011 5:39 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286439">comment from Amy AlkonHere's another video, showing how child marriage is supported by Islam. Tragic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETVHxCkMZ3A
Any religion that condones this supports barbarism.
Look at the little girls who are married to these sick old men in the video. Horrible.
More info here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm
In our culture, we throw men in jail for having sex with little girls. In Islamic cultures, men are congratulated for it. They are emulating the pedophile Mohammed.
More from here:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 6:01 PM
It's just RELIGION, period. ALL religion is evil.
jb3 at June 19, 2011 6:34 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286503">comment from jb3Too simplistic.
Again, I'm an atheist and find many religious beliefs silly and even damaging, but major Jewish and Christian religious leaders are not, as Khomeini did, per Islam, telling old men not only that it is permitted under their religion to sexually violate children but how to do it.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 7:00 PM
I wish I could say what I know in my head about Islam as well as Amy does. In lieu of my own words, in addition to Amy's answers to those equating the violence of Islam with all religions, I recommend this article by the author of The Al-Qaeda Reader: Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?
by Raymond Ibrahim
Middle East Quarterly
http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam
Nance at June 19, 2011 8:26 PM
Sadly, this isn't surprising at all!
Eric at June 19, 2011 9:08 PM
1. At one time, Christian Pastors were spewing something similar
2. There are plenty of arab and muslim individuals who fight for the opposite of that.
3. Just because there are some in the other group who act terribly and intolerably doesn't mean we should as well.
Glen at June 19, 2011 9:09 PM
2. There are plenty of arab and muslim individuals who fight for the opposite of that.
It was even visible towards the end of the video by the guy arguing with the woman about the holocaust.
Kevin at June 19, 2011 9:13 PM
1. At one time, Christian Pastors were spewing something similar
2. There are plenty of arab and muslim individuals who fight for the opposite of that.
3. Just because there are some in the other group who act terribly and intolerably doesn't mean we should as well.
Sorry, but have we started hanging gay boys and stoning women who have been raped?
People commenting here about there being "plenty of Arab and Muslims individuals who fight for the opposite of that" should start counting:
1. Ayaan Hirsi Ali
2. Wafa Sultan
3. Brigitte Gabriel
4. Raymond Ibrahim
Feel free to add the handful of others -- most of whom are ex-Muslim atheists.
Those of you who leave comments like Glen are like I was before 9/11 -- ignorant of what Islam entails and acting like it's just another religion.
Christianity wasn't exactly worlds of fun for Jews or a lot of people -- centuries ago. Even growing up, I dealt with anti-Semitism. But, my neighbors didn't call for my conversion or violent death -- they just egged our garage door and wrote "Dirty Jew" in shaving cream.
Islam COMMANDS the conversion or death of the infidel, and encourages men to emulate Mohammed, who married Aisha at 6 and had sex with her at 9...in addition to ordering mass-murder and doing a lot of other evil, psychopathic shit.
Pastors may spew some ugly stuff, but how many priests out there today preach to their flock as far too many imams do that people who do not believe as they do should be slaughtered?
Come back and comment about how things are after you've actually educated yourself as to the reality, as opposed to what you'd like the Quran and Hadith to contain.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 9:17 PM
You don't need to say ugly Islam, just Islam. In fact all religions are ugly by definition.
Agnostic dude at June 19, 2011 9:45 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286756">comment from Agnostic dudeAgain, it is overly simplistic to not rank a religion that condones and even encourages men to emulate Mohammed and have sex with little girls as uglier than the rest. A religion which commands the death of apostates and homosexuals. A religion which commands the death or conversion of all who do not believe as they do.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 9:48 PM
oh yeah, and israel's serial murder isn't racist and hate-driven?
extremists come in all forms and zionism is a form of hateful extremism: terror-bombing to drive out 700,000 people through ethnic-cleansing then imposing hideous apartheid laws and murdering children regularly
my country America has been attacked by the parasite israel for over 50 years so that the parasite now controls us and it is our money, our weapons, our diplomacy that protects and defends hideous zionism
we all know you have to be good neighbors to have good neighbors and zionists are land-grabbing ideologues that have nothing to do with being a jew
jews have been around 6000 years and zionism 110 years ... zionism is the problem - Palestine/Israel will be multicultural, pluralistic state like every other state ... this whole "jewish homeland" is racist on its face and the world is tired of the OFFICIAL VICTIM status of jews - let's ask the Congolese, the Darfur refugees, the Balkan war victims and on and on if their suffering is somehow less than that of jews (less well-marketed and capitalized upon THAT is for sure)
radii at June 19, 2011 10:07 PM
This hatred is used to keep the people of the middle east suppressed under the fear of the horrible Jew.
Those clerics are happy with how much attention you have given them along with you own hatred.
It is exactly what they need to keep power.
toyotabedzrock at June 19, 2011 10:11 PM
Can't we blame culture for at least some of this stuff? It's unfair to say that Islam teaches people to hate Jews because of this tv show. It works the same with Christianity. I hope no one outside of the U.S. would watch the Trinity Broadcasting Network and base Christianity on what they see there. The anger much of the Middle East has for Israel lies in the fact that Jewish settlers took some of the Palestinian lands by force (this is now even accepted as fact in Israel). I hate to go into the political details of this whole thing but from what I gather from most people I've met, Muslims are supposed to respect Jews and Christians. Therefore even if a Muslim disagrees with the state of Israel and dislikes Israelis for whatever reason, this shouldn't carry on to the Jewish population as a whole. Therefore, many Muslims who would watch this show would probably see it the same way an average Christian in America would see the Glenn Beck show.
Joe at June 19, 2011 10:12 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286787">comment from JoeCan't we blame culture for at least some of this stuff? It's unfair to say that Islam teaches people to hate Jews because of this tv show.
Go read the Quran and Hadith. The TV show is just the verbal expression of the contents.
And again, Jew hatred and calls to kill Jews (regardless of the state of Israel's existence - several make clear) is just one facet of ugly Islam.
Again, it doesn't "work the same with Christianity."
"from what I gather from most people I've met, Muslims are supposed to respect Jews and Christians."
It's not real helpful for them to put out what the Quran really says, first of all, and if you were at all educated in what the Quran actually says and about Islam in the slightest, you'd know that the nicer passages of the Quran are abrogated by the later, uglier ones.
Like so many Westerners, you merely decide what Islam must be about instead of actually investigating it. Good. Keep that up.
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 10:16 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286788">comment from Amy Alkonlet's ask the Congolese, the Darfur refugees, the Balkan war victims and on and on if their suffering is somehow less than that of jews (less well-marketed and capitalized upon THAT is for sure)
Interestingly, it's Israel which has taken in a number of Darfur refugees while their Muslim brethren let them rot. Islam is actually quite racist. Link on that here:
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/18/racism_in_islam.html
Amy Alkon at June 19, 2011 10:17 PM
I watched this video and of course it made me mad being Jewish (and human) but what made me almost as angry was how the video was presented. Yes there are hateful people in the world, but no, not everyone (or even the majority) in a certain religion think in the same way. In the video you have a few people saying hateful things (which never would happen on American media...oh wait...) and assume that every Muslim in the Middle East is like that. Two of my good friends are Muslim and are studying in the states from Afghanistan and Iran. Our differences in religion have had no effect on our friendship other than for making conversation more interesting. Furthermore, they say that the average person who they know from home is just living their lives and doesn't care about politics or violence, much like the average person here. It makes me so mad when I hear of people making it out like the majority of Muslims are crazy and violent when that is completely untrue.
My advice if you want to know what is really going on in the world is to turn off the TV, get off the internet and travel or meet new people. Don't even think about judging others (especially a whole group of people) until you do.
Emily at June 19, 2011 11:16 PM
This inflammatory bit of nonsense is echoed by extremists on every side of every hotly debated issue. I believe in freedom of speech so much that I defend anyone's right to lie, even if it is to my own detriment, because without a marketplace of ideas humanity is doomed.
anonymous at June 20, 2011 12:11 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2286938">comment from Emily. Yes there are hateful people in the world, but no, not everyone (or even the majority) in a certain religion think in the same way
Yet another person who knows nothing about Islam weighs in.
Again, the Quran is to be taken literally and unquestioningly, and Mohammed's words and deeds (like fucking a child and mass murdering Jews) are to be emulated.
Do you see people on TV in America calling for others' death?
Because you have two Muslim friends who are either ignorant of the evil the Quran commands (or committing taqqiya -- permitting lying) doesn't mean the religion is merely something that makes conversation "more interesting."
My advice if you want to know what is really going on in the world is to turn off the TV, get off the internet and travel or meet new people. Don't even think about judging others (especially a whole group of people) until you do.
Here's advice for you. Before you decide what Islam is and isn't based on whether you have interesting dinner parties with your friends, pull your head out of your ass and start reading. I did. I used to think like you did until I replaced my ignorance with information.
Islam is a religion that COMMANDS evil of its followers. Not all of its followers are evil. Many, many aren't. They simply want to live their lives and are as butt-ignorant of what's in the Quran as you are. But, for example, there was a survey in Canada where 12 percent of Canadian Muslims thought it was fine to blow up Parliament and slaughter the prime minister for Islam. Only 12 percent, right? Well, that's 84,000 people -- people who believe that murder and violence in the name of Islam are A-Okay.
Amy Alkon at June 20, 2011 12:41 AM
i am sure we can get many such clips of jewish and chrisitinan extreemists calling out for haterad and killing... that does not make jewdisim or christianity bloody. It had always been those 1% of the people who use religion in such a way, and it should not reflect on the other 99% or on that religion in general. there is no religion that commands evil and islam does not for sure.
Don't get your facts from a TV interview... go dig some more info... you and your children deserve the effort to know.
Also... please come and spend sometime here in the middle east (at least not in Iraq for sure) so you can get a real feeling of islam and its majority of people... you will actually love it here (come to Jordan and you will have the time of your life)
Ramadan at June 20, 2011 1:47 AM
Another problems that is affecting us nonbelievers is that many non-moslems in asia and the west are too preoccupied with making money or enriching themselves that they became oblivious to the threat coming from the totalitarian agenda of islamic people.
It is difficult to survive with very little money but it is even more difficult to survive with very little freedom. That is why they world needs more freedom.
WLIL at June 20, 2011 1:52 AM
It think it is wrong for any religous group or political group or ethnic group to impose their hateful totalitarian culture on any disadvantaged nonbelieving individual.
WLIL at June 20, 2011 2:02 AM
Why do these nutsacks always have to YELL?
Feldwebel Wolfenstool at June 20, 2011 4:55 AM
Amy Amy Amy..........the way I see it is that despite endless (as well as ongoing) efforts to mislead the muslim people to abandon their faith, on the pretext of being orthodox, primitive, conservative, backward, the west (and White Man) is pissed that they have not had that huge success as they would preferred to. Despite all the trash churned by sickos above, the muslims would continue to be a thorn up your asses simply because you love life and while muslims are not afraid to die.
Qaiser Shahzad at June 20, 2011 6:24 AM
You have obviously never read the Qur'an if you think it calls for the killing of Jews. You probably also do not have a firm understanding of the relationship between the Qur'an and the Torah. Also, you are a hypocrite who also fans the flames of hate towards Muslims. There are over a billion Muslims yet you judge them by the actions of a few. Oklahoma city bomber was a Christian, are all Christians terrorists too?
michael at June 20, 2011 6:49 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2287235">comment from Ramadani am sure we can get many such clips of jewish and chrisitinan extreemists calling out for haterad and killing...
We can't, actually. And the problem is, the Quran commands the violence. I've read plenty of it, and the Hadith. Islam is a religion of death and hate. Not all Muslims are murderers or hateful, but as these CLERICS on TV state, they want the death of the Jews irrespective of the state of Israel's existence. The Quran commands it -- as well as the death and conversion of all "infidels." Sick, barbaric, backward. And obeyed by many, many Muslims. Just check out the Jihad death toll for this month at religionofpeace.com -- and note how Muslims are tribal, warring people who kill each other with frequency. Like the barbarian woman who blew up other Muslim women and children in a UN food line in Iraq because they were of the wrong flavor of Islam. Sick.
Amy Alkon at June 20, 2011 6:49 AM
Amy sounds like a broken record because commenters who are still, sadly, ignorant of Islam, are dismissing the truth. Read Amy's sources, read her comments again. Read the article posted http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam for starters on why Islam is unique in the three monotheistic faiths and why neither Judaism nor Christianity have a god-sanctioned, religion/god-based command to kill the Jews and the Infidels (everyone else) throughout time like Islam does, always has, and always will (unless true reform happens.) If everyone, including millions of peaceful Muslims, educates themselves to the reality of the fundamental teachings of Islam, and the topic of abrogation, whereby violent passages in the Koran over-rule - abrogate - the earlier, more peaceful passages, then perhaps the free West has a chance.
Nance at June 20, 2011 7:32 AM
Thank you for sowing the seeds of my genocide, radical Muslims, and the people who use their videos to stoke the flames of paranoia.
Ahmad at June 20, 2011 7:37 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2287346">comment from NanceNance is correct. And that link is terrific, and all of you who are, sans knowledge, insisting that Islam is just a different flavor of Judaism or Christianity should read at that meforum.org link. I'll excerpt the relevant point that I've referenced above -- and referenced, and referenced:
Amy Alkon at June 20, 2011 7:48 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2287355">comment from AhmadThank you for sowing the seeds of my genocide, radical Muslims, and the people who use their videos to stoke the flames of paranoia.
Nice effort to try to post disinformation. Read the link Nance posted and the stuff I excerpted just above and feel free to dispute.
These are noted clerics speaking. Let's all be quite aware of that. One thinks they have a very good grasp on the hate and death Islam commands.
Amy Alkon at June 20, 2011 7:52 AM
nothing new here... Israelis law makers say the same thing about Arabs..
ALEX at June 20, 2011 9:50 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2287654">comment from ALEXAgain, it is BUILT INTO the religion to hate and kill Jews and infidels. And feel free to provide a link to Israeli lawmakers saying "the same thing" about Arabs. In Judaism, every life is prized and it is only acceptable to defend yourself, not to murder those who believe differently because they believe differently.
Again, Israelis save Muslims from Darfur. They treat Muslims with care and compassion in their hospitals, and triage who is the most wounded, not who is Jewish. Entirely different story.
Brigitte Gabriel was taught to hate Jews, growing up in Lebanon, and only when her mother was in a Jewish hospital did she see that the hatred was propaganda.
Amy Alkon at June 20, 2011 9:55 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2287669">comment from Amy AlkonActually, Alex, Israel takes it very seriously when anyone calls for violence against Arabs/Muslims.
http://www.imemc.org/article/60353
When two Facebook groups called for "death to Arabs" the Israeli attorney general demanded they be shut down.
Amy Alkon at June 20, 2011 10:01 AM
I don't want to hear about what other religions did in the past.
I live in the present, not in the past. If ISLAM is the HITLER or Germany of our generation, than it's time for us to get moving and stamp it out before it does the same to us.
Frank at June 20, 2011 12:04 PM
Those are very radical people who do not even understand Islam.
If you are interested in knowing, YOU will see the same thing in radical Judaism taught in Israel to children in the Kibbutz. I have watched Israeli programs that believe that killing Palestinians and ripping them off their own land and humanity will please God. I have heard it from radical Israelis who believe that killing Muslim children is something to be cherished because they will grow up to be terrorists.
Notice that this was not heard of during the Islamic Empire which lasted more than 1000 years. While Jews were enjoying their freedom in the Muslim world, they were being prosecuted and living in the Ghittos in Europe.
what has changed is the extreme mutual hate between Arabs and Zionists because of the establishment of Israel and stealing the Palestinian lands. If you care to know, the treatment of Palestinians in Palestine is worse than they were treated by Hitler. the only difference is that they use bombs and bullets to kill and maim Palestinians.
the language you heard in this video is that of a defeated people. If you treat Palestinians humanely, you would never hear this kind of violent language.
Andy at June 20, 2011 12:11 PM
"People like this exists in all faiths, you'd be naive to think otherwise. Wahabbi fundamentalists are far out there yet the US gov continues their support for the House of Saud... oil sure is a hell of a drug.
Good news is these radicals only represent a small majority of crazies and the day will come when the good people of all faiths will rise up against these hypocritical-lying-racist-fat cat mofo's at the top"
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True, religious crazies exist in all faiths.
But here's the difference-- this is quite common in the Arab world.
In the west there are a few nut cases preaching hate to their congregations, but in much of the Arab world it widespread. Its in the media, the newspapers, and on TV. Kids see this stuff from early childhood. The sort of hatred in much Arab TV would never be allowed in most western countries.
"Good news is these radicals only represent a small majority of crazies"
Do you have reliable sources for that-- or are you merely guessing?
The fact is-- in much of the Arab world this view is the majority view-- not a minority. (I believe you may be assuming that all cultures are exactly alike-- and since extremists in the US are a minority, that therefore it must be the truth everywhere. But that's a fallacy...)
Here's a bit more on the subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0fK_TPhYY
krishna109 at June 20, 2011 12:22 PM
"If you care to know, the treatment of Palestinians in Palestine is worse than they were treated by Hitler."
That is true. Why? Because, for starters, many Palestinians were actually allied with the Nazis-- so they weren't mistreated by them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3pq1KIUZb4
And, of course, the treatment of the Palestinians in Palestine (I'm assuming that by "Palestine" you mean the West Bank and Gaza) has been horrendous. Here are but a few examples:
1. Palestinian victims of Hamas swear revenge
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/intrafada-victims-swear-revenge/story-e6frg6tx-1111116362270
"SHADI Bakr Ahmad gingerly eased his legless torso into two new plastic limbs and vowed they would one day walk him back to his brutal destiny in Gaza. The Fatah man and his 14 comrades in rehabilitation have barely six legs left between them, after being mutilated by their Hamas rivals during the violent takeover of power last June. All have unfinished business: they want to get back on their makeshift feet soon to hunt down the men who maimed them"
2. *Bloody Hands in Gaza - Guess Who?
http://melonhead.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/21/2713815-bloody-hands-in-gaza-guess-who
Excerpt:
"Some residents of Gaza were taken from their homes and shot in the legs or feet. Some were brutally beaten, and some were simply murdered, sometimes after hideous torture. If you are expecting -- based on everything that has happened -- that the awful Israelis did this, guess again. It was Hamas, the authentic and genuine government of Gaza
The information about the shootings is taken from a report issued yesterday by Human Rights Watch. It says that "Hamas security forces or masked gunmen believed to be with Hamas" executed 18 people, most of whom were accused of collaborating with Israel, sparing the expense and bother of a trial. Others were shot, maimed or beaten, not for allegedly collaborating with the enemy -- or, as is often the case, having a house or woman that a snitch cove."
krishna109 at June 20, 2011 12:35 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2288041">comment from AndyThose are very radical people who do not even understand Islam. If you are interested in knowing, YOU will see the same thing in radical Judaism taught in Israel to children in the Kibbutz.
Andy, this is bullshit. I worked on a kibbutz in Israel (won a trip there for an essay I wrote).
Feel free to provide links that substantiate what you're saying.
Jews are taught that the highest virtue is saving a life -- any life. That's why Israeli hospitals put Muslim patients before Israeli soldiers if they are in more immediate need of medical attention. Seeing this is what turned Brigitte Gabriel, from Lebanon, away from the hatred she was taught of Jews.
Amy Alkon at June 20, 2011 12:46 PM
there was a survey in Canada where 12 percent of Canadian Muslims thought it was fine to blow up Parliament and slaughter the prime minister for Islam. Only 12 percent, right? Well, that's 84,000 people -- people who believe that murder and violence in the name of Islam are A-Okay.
Posted by: Amy Alkon
The thing I alway forund interesting about that servey was that number relects how amny open agree that violence is ok, how many think violence is OK but lied about it?
lujlp at June 20, 2011 2:27 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2288340">comment from lujlpVery good question, luj.
Amy Alkon at June 20, 2011 2:59 PM
"Sick, barbaric, backward."
Amy, perfect words to describe these state-sponsored hate-mongers and the ignorant, intolerant tribesmen that are willing to believe this bile. It really is sad that they can equate this violence with divine reasons - all the while claiming victimhood from the "evil Jew" that could never come close to a millionth of the atrocities dealt under the holocaust or the russian pogroms against the Jews.
There's NO justification for this mindset - gloating and rejoicing over the deaths of millions. Or even denying the facts and figures in the first place. Saying that it's ok due to ignorance or the slow pace of progressive thought in Islam is accepting this kind of evil and condoning it.
The only note of hope came from that shrill Nancy Grace-style program where the guest is very polite and patient and is able to refute her insane ramblings with reasoned comments about the forgeries of the Protocols or the Allied figures from death camp fatalities. Unfortunately these voices are few and far between and they tend to be drowned out by the pedophile imams who are busy ranting about Zionism to distract from the sorry state of the Arab world: corruption, illiteracy, lack of freedoms, etc.
Tolly at June 21, 2011 6:07 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2292270">comment from TollyAgree with you, too, on the one balanced guy. You can disagree with people (I'm guessing that he isn't hugging Zionists in his spare time) and still have a respect for the facts.
Amy Alkon at June 21, 2011 6:12 AM
By your standards, Terry Jones and Fred Phelps are noted clerics.
The excerpts you posted are quite out of context. 1) The Quran makes it clear that Jews are "People of the Book", and that they should be treated as neighbors/brothers.
2) The excerpts you have posted are notorious for being misrepresented. If you read the sections that precede it and the sections that follow it you will see that it refers to times when warfare is already ongoing with a non-believer aggressor. It says to only fight this way when non-believers are attacking.
You genuinely make me sick because I know that whenever you get a Quran verse or a youtube video like that you are too happy to pass on the message without taking one second to verify that it is correct. You are perpetuating the idea of condemning us without a trial.
Ahmad at June 23, 2011 6:41 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2297187">comment from AhmadBy your standards, Terry Jones and Fred Phelps are noted clerics. The excerpts you posted are quite out of context. 1) The Quran makes it clear that Jews are "People of the Book", and that they should be treated as neighbors/brothers. 2) The excerpts you have posted are notorious for being misrepresented.
Bullshit.
And sorry, but I'm quite informed about Islam. The earlier, peaceful passages of the Quran are abrogated by the later ones...and Muslims are listening. See the jihad death toll at thereligionofpeace.com
As the courageous Wafa Sultan has pointed out, there are no Jews blowing up German restaurants. Oh, and we call her courageous because when you criticize Jews, which I do all the time (for example, for barbaric and primitive practices like circumcision), nobody threatens to kill you or tries. Anyone who is a former Muslim is to be put to death, and criticizers of Islam like Karl Westergaard are in hiding, with panic rooms built into their houses so the Muslims who come after them cannot murder them.
Religion of peace, my ass.
Amy Alkon at June 23, 2011 6:48 AM
German restaurants no... British hotels yes.
Prove to me that the passages you refer to take priority over all other passages and you can go back to spouting your hate without hearing a peep from me.
Ahmad at June 23, 2011 11:13 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/06/19/ugly_islam.html#comment-2298245">comment from AhmadOh, yawn. Abrogation:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Farooq_Ibrahim/abrogation.htm
A brief bit from the end:
And the highest value in Judaism is saving a life. There will be murderers in every faith, but Jesus preaches, "Turn the other cheek," and Jews save Muslim lives first in Israeli hospitals, if, say, they are more in need of medical care than an Israeli soldier.
Again, the occasional Jew or Christian will do violence to others in the name of their religious beliefs, but you do not have preachers or rabbis commanding it, and commanding them, as Islam does, to convert or kill the infidel. These are not the beliefs of civilized people.
Amy Alkon at June 23, 2011 11:54 AM
Ok, I read through that. The fact that there are abrogations does not mean that one paragraph in the Quran that says to fight non-believer aggressors with vigor abrogates the parts of the Quran that instruct a friendly attitude towards Jews and Christians. Nor does it abrogate the paragraph immediately preceding it, which states that one must fight in such a way during a TIME OF WAR against armies that are the aggressor. If a Muslim were to tell me that the Quran instructs to kill Jews I would disagree with them 100% that anything regarding combat against non-believers should be applied to Jews/Christians. So when you say the same thing, it's up to me to tell you that while some Muslims believe that, it's a horrible and heartless misrepresentation of the book itself for you to say that these things are what the book instructs. Especially when the article you yourself linked states that there is no consensus on abrogation and many scholars do not accept the concept.
Ahmad at June 23, 2011 1:08 PM
Say, Ahmad...
Step away from citation, from argument about what this or that passage says, and consider this:
When American officials deviate from the requirements of the Constitution, the outrage is based on the difference between their performance and those requirements. The Constitution is the source of their legal authority and power.
Now, when the Taliban or Hamas act, especially against individuals, what reference do they cite?
If their behavior is contrary to that reference, it should be easy for you to show them where they are wrong.
Can you? Do you?
Radwaste at June 26, 2011 2:31 AM
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