Government Iz Dum
From the LA Times' Greenspace blog, 3,500 pot plants were found in the Santa Monica Mountains, and workers are "cleaning (them) up":
Federal and state workers have been clearing the area for the past two weeks, hauling out herbicides, pesticides, rodent fencing, fertilizer and two miles of plastic water hose. Water had been diverted from a nearby creek to irrigate the plants, and native vegetation had been cut down to make room for the plants."Marijuana cultivation is a serious and rising problem in the Santa Monica Mountains and other park lands across the country," said Park Superintendent Woody Smeck in a statement. "The environmental damage caused by marijuana cultivation in otherwise pristine natural areas costs approximately $12,000 per acre to clean up."
The remote park land of the Santa Monica Mountains are popular locations for illicit marijuana operations. Last year, Los Angeles and Ventura County sheriff's deputies confiscated some 42,000 marijuana plants -- worth $130 million -- in the Santa Monica Mountains.
As I commented on the site:
The dumb thing is that they're "cleaning" it up. These are just a bunch of plants. Yes, people smoke them and take a little vacation from life in their head. Why is that the government's business? I know incredibly productive people who like to take a toke every now and then (the smart ones use a vaporizer to avoid lung damage). Some people, sure, are damaged by drug abuse -- or abuse of perfectly legal alcohol. I could also take a tree branch and shove it somewhere uncomfortable and do some damage to myself. Should we clear-cut the Santa Monica mountains, just in case?







Hmm.
There's an enormous difference between legalizing pot smoking and encouraging growers to tear down the fragile and beautiful Santa Monica Mountains as they go all illegal agrobusiness in there.
If you want to make large scale pot growing legal, fine, I'll sign that petition, and hell, I'd like to join the growers.
But I used to hike and bike Zuma/Trancas, and the last thing they need is a monoculture of pot plants, and the environmental damage of growers rerouting streams, and worse, as a hiker or mountain biker, the last thing I want to worry about is running into growers defending their plants.
Being pro pot has nothing whatsoever to do with allowing illegal, damaging, threatening grows to occur in our very limited natural park spaces.
The Feds and State are absolutely doing the right thing here.
jerry at July 20, 2011 11:49 PM
Well, yeah, y'know, but... Public park land?
I have a favorite mountain up there, one I've named after myself. (None but a few girlfriends over the years have agreed to call the hill by this handsome new name; One, annoyed at being compelled to scale the peak with me during fierce menses, described herself thereafter as "Fertility Goddess of ____ Mountain".) I've been up there for every kind of weather over the last twenty years, including fires, earthquakes and meteor storms. You can see just about everything precious in Southern California geography from that one spot: The mountains, the valleys, the ocean, and those Mexican fragments that are slipping past Hollywood and the San Andreas fault on their way to Alaska. (Did I mention the starlight?)
It's gorgeous, and it's vulnerable. If the Santa Monicas can be protected from commercial development or other brutal intrusions, maybe they should be.
You don't have to be an greeny goofball to feel this way! The natural environment here is like nowhere else in the world with the possible exception of the French Riviera... And let's face it, that place is full of French people. Much of the rest of this region is so developed that it's hard to imagine what it was like naturally.
And they're not "Just a bunch of plants". The thing about these weed-growers is, all they care about is weed. Surrounding biology means nothing to them... And that includes the safety of passing hikers, who are likely to get shot for being snoopy.
You wanna decriminalize, go ahead, I'm all for it... But even then, society has other interests to pursue.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 20, 2011 11:52 PM
Lemme put it this way... If someone were growing "just plants" like beets or strawberries up there, would you expect taxpayers to tippytoe around the crops?
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 21, 2011 12:03 AM
Point taken on the ecology. But, they're growing them there because they're illegal, which is completely stupid. You can get a buzz on with a martini, but not pot? Why?
Amy Alkon at July 21, 2011 12:30 AM
Jus' sayin', that's a different argument. I don't want no moonshiners doin' their distillin' up there, neither.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 21, 2011 12:42 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/07/21/_the_dumb_thing.html#comment-2376572">comment from Crid [CridComment at gmail]Sure, but that's why they're growing it there.
Amy Alkon
at July 21, 2011 12:43 AM
Presumably, sex tourists in Thailand are pestering the children there because the heat's on in the San Fernando Valley.
Therefore....?
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 21, 2011 12:49 AM
Put another way— How upset are we supposed to be when bad behavior gets squeezed out of our local communities?
I consider private farming on public parks worse than weed-smoking. But if someone's growing weed up there, it's not just so that their wives and children will have some herb to torch over a boring wintertime. And if someone were growing food up there, I wouldn't think they doing it for the nutrition.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 21, 2011 1:05 AM
Amy, these are not your neighbors and friends with a grow in a spare bathroom that produces enough pot for them.
This is 10 acres.
How much sympathy do they get?
None.
How correct are they to be doing this where they are?
None.
If they want to be all Henry David Thoreau and perform and act of civil disobedience, let them take a public stand and grow it at a city park, with some nice signs pointing it back to them.
But this is actually a ripoff of the public commons.
jerry at July 21, 2011 1:15 AM
I agree with the above posts. I want to see pot decriminalized, but this kind of behavior is shitty, and I hope whoever is responsible ends up in jail.
Christopher at July 21, 2011 3:51 AM
Public servants are "cleaning it up" in a series of thousands of small, controlled fires. Using the latest technology, the fire control is being done using paper barriers in a "ZigZag" configuration.
BlogDog at July 21, 2011 4:12 AM
@BlogDog: "Public servants are "cleaning it up" in a series of thousands of small, controlled fires."
And the local Pizza Hut's never done such heavy business...
Old RPM Daddy at July 21, 2011 4:59 AM
Back in the '60s, my father used to hike around the local Ozark forests. He was both a fisherman and a hunter. Along the stream banks, marijuana has been growing wild for many centuries. It's actually considered a wonderful place to grow, considered very similar to Afghanistan's climate. My father, being anti-high and a Baptist, would reach down and pull this wild weed, leaving these plants to die. Following a big bust of 'evil' pot growers, my father happened to mention to the local sheriff that these plants are growing wild all over the hills, and that he just pulls them up if he sees them. The corrupt Sheriff threw an indignant, "You can't do that, we have to come in and clean it up." My father was threatened with arrest. Needless, to say my father didn't stop pulling these weeds, he just stopped telling the sheriff about it.
Cat at July 21, 2011 5:48 AM
There is nothing benign about big backcountry marijuana plantations. These scumbags shit & dump trash anywhere & everywhere, poison pristine streams with huge quantities of fertilizer, herbicides, & insecticides, terrorize unsuspecting hikers, etc. All of this on land that's supposed to be set aside for public enjoyment, not personal profit for illegal bandits from Mexico:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0610/p01s03-usgn.html
Martin at July 21, 2011 9:13 AM
The irony for me is "local Gov't destroys $130 million in saleable assets [to appease weenie bureaucracy]".
DaveG at July 21, 2011 9:29 AM
$130 million? The pot is worth $130 million?
Can't the government sell it, and pay down debts?
I agree with the sentiments that public parkland should not be unilaterally privatized and turned into farmland. That could get out of hand quickly.
Ergo, keeping the profits on the crops for taxpayers makes sense.
$130 million--why are chumps like us not growing pot?
Heck, why doesn't the government cover the SM mountains with fields of pot, and finance their cruddy police departments with that money?
BOTU at July 21, 2011 9:31 AM
It could.
The next thing you know the Department of Agriculture will show up and start handing out subsidies.
The government might build a road so the farmers can get their crops to the cities cheaply.
Then BOTU will have to write yet another blog post denouncing the USDA, advocating toll roads, and belittling rural people.
Conan the Grammarian at July 21, 2011 10:14 AM
> [to appease weenie bureaucracy]".
See various commenters here. It ain't just technocrats who think you shouldn't be farming on public land.
> Can't the government sell it, and
> pay down debts?
They could sell the land to pay down debts, too. But that's not what government's about. (And the temptation is one reason some of us are pissed about all this spending.) Government has been provisionally entrusted with treasures.
> finance their cruddy police departments
> with that money
What is it with you and the cops? I'm starting to think you have some weird ideas about constabulary power. The idea that men with uniforms might try to make you do stuff seems to be a major hazard in your workaday life... And a source of tremendous excitement in your fantasies.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 21, 2011 11:20 AM
Seriously, these fuckers are spazzed out of their minds. They're loons.
And now...
• If you work for the government for more than four consecutive days in a row, you forfeit the right to vote and to contribute to political campaigns. (Leaflet distribution, etc., will be permitted... But only the handling!: Printing costs must still be paid by others.)• If it's for the FEDERAL government, those rights are forfeit even after retirement.
• If it's for the federal government as an elected official, your kids lose the right to vote, too. At least while you're a candidate or officeholder.
(Also, the children of real taxpayers will be permitted to slap your children around whenever they feel like it.)
• This includes academe. (N/A to private education.)
There was a bunch of other stuff, but I forgot it while rinsing the dishes. Also, I left out the sex parts. (Big girls in a giggly mood, mostly.)
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 21, 2011 1:05 PM
There are other reasons the authorities search for pot in the Santa Monica Mountains, such as asset seizure. The Donald Scott case is the prime example . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_P._Scott
Read the links at the bottom of the wikipedia page too.
Jay J. Hector at July 21, 2011 1:21 PM
Here's the offical "Report on the death of Donald Scott" from the Ventura County D.A. That's Scott as in Scott Tissue.
http://www.fear.org/chron/scott.txt
Jay J. Hector at July 21, 2011 1:24 PM
What is it with you and the cops? I'm starting to think you have some weird ideas about constabulary power. The idea that men with uniforms might try to make you do stuff seems to be a major hazard in your workaday life... And a source of tremendous excitement in your fantasies.
Posted by: Crid
Or it could be they threaten to kill people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qc
Or acctually kill people, like in Hectors example
lujlp at July 21, 2011 3:35 PM
Live in fear, Looj! Authority figures in uniforms want to take you to Christian churches and circumcise you!
FEAR! FEAR!!!
PEOPLE ARE Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaannnnnn!!!......
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 21, 2011 4:42 PM
Yes they are, its why I look forward to the next plauge
lujlp at July 21, 2011 4:48 PM
If they keep passing onerous regulations on the farm and dairy industries you are going to see lots of crops being raised in the hinterlands out of reach of the authorities. The skills these pot growers have developed will be in great demand if things don't change.
Spilled milk is already treated the same as an oil spill. These people just will not stop until they are rounded up and sent to some sort of penal colony where they can breed a new super race of overly officious bureaucrats.
Voluble at July 21, 2011 4:56 PM
Martin nails it; these aren't hippies growing a plant for personal enjoyment.
Our government does what it's told, and what it's told is that the borders stay open, the criminals flow freely along with their drugs and money, and the slave labor pool and attendant misery continues uninterrupted.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at July 21, 2011 4:58 PM
> I look forward to the next plauge
You're a dark guy, Looj! You've seen the world up close 'n personal... We're talking about critical events in intense settings... And frankly, you haven't always liked what you've seen! There are nuances and details that you just can't discuss with anyone... No matter how close they want to get! There are some things a man just has to keep to himself, locked away forever in a cold, unreachable corner of his heart. It's better that way... It's better for everyone.
The other day I was hanging out with some supermodels at the Starbucks on Santa Monica Boulevard. These are beautiful young women who're preparing to step into lives of tremendous ease and fulfillment... But they know that's not the best way for a person to live, and so they're grappling with the big issues of the day. Sometimes when they get stuck on a problem, they call me and ask if we can talk it through together. I'm usually OK with it, as long as they can do it two or three at a time... I mean, I got my own shit going on, and can't afford to squander an afternoon while some velvet-skinned, firm-breasted idiot child weeps about starvation in Africa, you know? Especially when they get all overwrought and say they want to stay over. Do I need that kind of distraction? No... No Sir, I do not. It's important to make progress every day, either alone or with others. But this particular call came when the Carmageddon thing was going on here in West L.A., so we all had some free time, and could really stretch out over the afternoon, drink good coffee, and talk about what was on their minds.
And what all three of them wanted to talk about was you, Looj.
Antonia kicked it off:
Sophie spoke up next:
That's when Oxana interjected to fire off the last salvo:
I could tell it was time for this coffee to end. The 405 freeway would soon be open for traffic, and so would my Twitter account. I reached for my Iphone and the keys to my Beamer.
I stood, turned and walked. I winked at the lady in the green smock, and stole a peek at the last copy of the NY Times —splayed as if raped— in the kiosk by the door. To be honest, the batteries of my hearing aids were a little low at that point... But as the noisy aluminum doorframe swung to close behind me, I could swear I heard Antonia weeping back at the table.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 21, 2011 6:00 PM
They lied to you crid, they werent looking for a spiritual or whatever connection. Women instictivly know that my arocious spelling is due to all my blood being pooled in my gargantuan dick, its not as much fun as you might think bieng a sex toy for thousands of women. And every one of them are freaks too, riding crops, chains, wax, spurs, you'd be amazaed at how many of them have iron maidens and racks.
None of them want to talk about their day or cuddle either- it makes me depressed
lujlp at July 21, 2011 7:44 PM
I was under the impression that it was illegal to grow anything anywhere in California these days.
Cousin Dave at July 21, 2011 8:44 PM
Hey Lujlp!! I saw this article about typeface for dyslexics and thought of you. It looks promising!
http://www.neatorama.com/2011/07/13/a-typeface-designed-for-dyslexics/
Just sayin' at July 22, 2011 8:11 AM
Oops! I thought I was posting that under the Free Swim section. I'll post there too.
Just sayin' at July 22, 2011 8:12 AM
"But as the noisy aluminum doorframe swung to close behind me, I could swear I heard Antonia weeping back at the table."
You are correct. She was crying. So, I excused myself from talking to Megan Fox, then, I went to Antonia with a box of Kleenex.
Then, I explained to Antonia.
Chang: "Antonia, please don't cry for Argentina or Lujlp. Once you realized that human life is meaningless, you can actually live very meaningful and happy life in the meaningless pursuit of whatever hell that you choose to do so.
That includes waiting for human plague for the survival of endangered species.
You have no right to cry for him. By crying, you wish for a different life for him. And you have no right to do so."
I stood, turned and walked back to Megan Fox, who was crying because of my absence.
chang at July 22, 2011 8:14 AM
One worker and a big ass tank of Roundup would have cost a lot less.
Joe at July 22, 2011 12:45 PM
Crid? Its no fun when you stop playing
lujlp at July 22, 2011 9:11 PM
You guys are handball against the drapes
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 22, 2011 9:43 PM
"There's an enormous difference between legalizing pot smoking and encouraging growers to tear down the fragile and beautiful Santa Monica Mountains as they go all illegal agrobusiness in there."
jerry, the reason they grow out there is because it's illegal to grow on 'ordinary' agricultural land in the first place, so this is circular reasoning. Why is there no problem of, say, pineapple farmers going to town tearing up the natural environment? If pot was legalized, it would be grown out in the open on ordinary agricultural land, like everything else. Also, if it were legal to grow on an agricultural scale without all the risks associated with illegal growing, then prices would drop - they must - so the various incentives to 'grow your own' would diminish as you could simply buy decent cheap legal pot in the store. People would also be able to grow their own in their gardens, since they wouldn't have to fear "getting caught".
"The environmental damage caused by marijuana cultivation in otherwise pristine natural areas costs approximately $12,000 per acre to clean up.
This is also slightly circular reasoning. It costs a lot to clean up, yes. But they wouldn't need to clean it up if it were legal in the first place. So the reason to keep it illegal is because it costs a lot to clean up the damage caused by it being illegal? Makes a lot of sense.
Lobster at July 23, 2011 2:57 PM
> the reason they grow out there is because
> it's illegal to grow on 'ordinary'
> agricultural land in the first place
Understatement. The grow their because the want the money from an illegal enterprise, not just because it's illegal to grow it in their back yard.
More than anything, they want to break the law.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 23, 2011 4:13 PM
Rerouting streams should be punishable with a federal prison sentence.
That being said, I don't understand you Yanks and your justice system. Up here, cops ignore the shit unless you're into trafficking. The only reason they bust the dealers is because they have to by law. Pretty soon, it's going to be completely legal. As it is, I can light up walking down the street, cruisers go right by me.
Seriously, at the Canada Day celebrations on the Hill, we were all lighting doobs while the Prince and Princess were coming to the dais. 35 cops, not one marijuana arrest. (Lots of drunk and disorderly's tho....what does that tell ya?)
And you guys pay how much a day to house how many inmates for pot crimes?
Legalize it.
Angel at July 23, 2011 5:16 PM
> I don't understand you Yanks and your
> justice system.
So logoff and don't worry about it... We'd probably not be too enchanted by yours, either.
(Sight unseen, so to speak, without any clue, I'd wager $10 that the United States Department of Defense is the backbone of your social comity.)
(just a guess)
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 23, 2011 5:25 PM
(rereading)
> Up here, cops ignore...
Aha! Canada!
Can I have my $10 now?
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 23, 2011 6:05 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/07/21/_the_dumb_thing.html#comment-2379763">comment from Crid [CridComment at gmail](rereading) > Up here, cops ignore... Aha! Canada! Can I have my $10 now?
Will you take that in Canadian?
Amy Alkon
at July 23, 2011 7:24 PM
Commenter Hide is the preferred currency.
Or "withdrawn naval and missile defense"...
But that's not practical, is it? It's always been easier to fucking patrol Canada's shores FOR them than to assume they were up to the task of defending our shared continent.
Our Snowy Angel knows that perfectly well. Yet he/she (tellingly indeterminate) is concerned about our system of justice....
(Seriously, why are the Canadian visitors to your blog so mouthy?)
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 23, 2011 8:48 PM
What does defending our borders have to do with marijuana laws?
And Crid, I was asking a question, not making a statement. If it bothers you, move on instead of being a mouthy little shit disturber yourself.
And the majority of Canadians really don't give a shit about the US patrolling our borders. We'd actually rather you didn't. We care more about you trying to take over the Arctic, which is ours by rights. It is only because of the cuts to the military the idiot Liberals made that we even have to tolerate it in the first place.
But nice way to distract from the marijuana issue.
And Crid, you are the LAST person who should be calling anyone mouthy. Especially us Canadians, who are famously passive.
And you, my mouthy little friend, are already aware (since you have such an amount of knowledge of Canadian culture) of the error you made in your post. You, who are so knowledgeable on all things Canadian, already know that Snow Angel is an offensive term to Canadians.
You, who spend much of your time here, I assume, to have come across such a vast amount of information on Canadiana, already know that the term is used to describe a Canadian who spends a large amount of time in the US, much to the dismay of other Canadians. A vacation is fine, but we'd rather Canadians spend the money in Canada.
But you already knew that.
Angel at July 24, 2011 4:19 PM
Oh, and Crid, you also know that Canada has a shockingly small Spanish/Mexican culture, so it's a safe bet I'm a girl. Never mind I've already announced it on previous posts.
But you already knew that.
Angel at July 24, 2011 4:28 PM
> And the majority of Canadians really
> don't give a shit about the US patrolling
> our borders.
I KNOW. I wouldn't give a shit if my next-door-neighbor paid my health insurance. Or my mortgage.
> ours by rights.
Yeah? Tell Ivan. And then look up the "Japanese" Kurile Islands.
> nice way to distract from the
> marijuana issue
It's our issue, not yours.
> Especially us Canadians, who are
> famously passive
Recessive, some might say.
But there's something about Amy's blog... The psychedelic puce & chartreuse logo, maybe, or the enchanting gaze of her puppy-dog. Canadians just presume they're part of the national family... So they reach into the fridge for the last beer, prop up their feet on the dinner table, and start interrupting people. If it were merely offensive, I'd be cool with it. But it's so pathetic....
> already know that Snow Angel is an
> offensive term
Had no clue. But with tremendous clarity comes good luck!
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 24, 2011 5:01 PM
O.K. people, let's relax a bit, and remember we are talking about pot here. Less harmful than a cigarette. We realized (Canadians) a long time ago that fighting the pot battle was a waste of time and a total waste of precious tax money. The U.S. has spent over 600 billion since the seventies to curb pot and it is more available than alcohol. At what point do you say mercy. You can't win and won't win a much as you want to. Here in Canada we give fines for pot possession so that way we can recuperation some money to fight the fight on real drugs like coke and speed. We have a saying in Canada "Pot is illegal only because the government can't figure out a way to tax it!!!!"
FYI... I passed college with a 3.75 GPA and smoked every single day. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!!
Just my opinion as a Canadian.....
Jayman at July 24, 2011 6:14 PM
Awwwwww....Crid doesn't want me at his party. I guess I should take my ball and go home.
NOT!!!!
Amy actually has a big following up here Crid, should we all stop visiting the site because you don't like us voicing our opinions? The world wide web is just that, world wide. If you want it Americans only, then voice your opinion on an American only chat room!
You yourself implied that what affects Canada affects the US, and vice versa. Rightly so. I really don't like having to mop up after you Yanks when your "right to bear arms" makes it over the border. This is an American issue, and affects Canadians. See what I'm getting at there?
Also, I've been criticized for Canadian passivity on this site before. Not that I mind, you Yanks are notorious for your violent frame of mind. (I believe it's called "patriotism" south of the border...) If you can criticize me for my Canadian passivity, I can question your justice system. You'll note I said "question" and not "criticize". Or are you afraid your opinion cannot stand up to questioning?
I'm also not surprised that you feel the Arctic belongs to the US. However, Sovereignty applies here, and always will. If you want the Arctic, feel free to come and try to take it. I think the sub and 3 warships we just sent off might have a thing or two to say about it though!!!
I notice though, that you still don't want to stick to the topic at hand, which is marijuana laws. You feel more comfortable frothing at the mouth over things that have nothing to do with the issue. Might you, by chance, be a politician?
Either way Crid, since you are so learned on all topics relating to Canada, you'll know what the following mean.
I! AM! CANADIAN!!!!
CANADIAN GIRLS KICK ASS EH!!!
Now go on home and play nice with the other kids darling, the adults want to talk.
Angel at July 24, 2011 6:31 PM
> We realized (Canadians) a long time ago that....
For fuck's sake, Alkon, there's another one!! What's the deal? I'd hate to think you have an alluring affinity to busybodies who rely on the kindness of neighbors.
> Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!!
That's a lot of punctuation for a 3.75'er. Are you afraid you're not being heard? In your own community, I mean? No, I hear you, I get it... People who are distracted –wink-wink / nudge-nudge— often count on the soberfolk nearby to make sure everything's, y'know, cool.
> If you want it Americans only, then
> voice your opinion on an American
> only chat room!
The internet is an American chat room! And by "American", I mean United States. The vast, vast majority of its development was funded and executed by USA genius. Eventually it became so useful that we decided to let other people enjoy it, too. See also, jazz, telephony, aviation, space travel, etc....
> See what I'm getting at there?
No idea. The enormous, thundering majority of Canadians are leading richer, safer, more for fulfilling lives for having the U.S. as a neighbor and patron. If you're concerned that it won't work out that way for you, stay home and do your nails.
> I've been criticized for Canadian
> passivity on this site before.
Yeah?
> Yanks are notorious for your
> violent frame of mind.
Again, your safety is brazenly, nakedly dependent on our ability to mete out violence in thoughtful portions. If you had the courage of your convictions, and wanted to take care of things for yourselves, why, we'd be happy to save on the expenditures.
> are you afraid your opinion cannot
> stand up to questioning?
Your questions are not of interest. If you'd found a better way, a more deeply integrated and successful amalgam of diverse social interests, the world would be beating a path to your door. But again —again again— you're counting on us to handle your defense. It will always, always be difficult to trust that you see the full spectrum of human nature.... As when a teenager, with his feet on the couch, complains to his Dad, coming home from a long day of work, that some of these video games are getting boring.
Are you serious about the North Pole? That's ducky. So why don't YOU contest its ownership with Putin?
Because you're not up to it.
> I think the sub and 3 warships we
> just sent off might have a thing
> or two to say about it though!!!
14 minutes and two Predators, tops.
> you still don't want to stick
> to the topic at hand
[1.] Amy lets us talk about whatever we want, which is why I hang out here. (Also, her frequent scans by the Google Cache... I'd hate to think my brilliant, incisive argument is lost [like teardrops in the rain, babe] to the internet shitstorm.)
[2.] I did a few hundred words about the weed angle in earlier comments. I was perfectly correct in all respects.
> CANADIAN GIRLS KICK ASS EH!!!
That's exactly what you don't ki.... Here, review this passage from Steyn, linked above:
There's more to becoming American than talking about things as if you already have.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 24, 2011 7:12 PM
I forgotten to mention our development of film, which is worth a Gregarin or two...
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 24, 2011 7:24 PM
Crid are you fucking serious? I can't talk on the internet because it's an American invention? Blow it out your ass you sanctimonious misogynistic bigoted blowhard! If I do have my nails done it's only so I can have them nice and sharp while I make my point you sexist asshole!!
YOU are why Americans have to guard the borders in the first place!! People like you are so sure of the superiority of the US that you stuff the American dream down the throats of other nations, whether they want it or not! People like you start the wars, then scorn anyone who doesn't back you in a fight you had no business being in in the first place! You speak of not having the courage of my convictions, but I bet dollars to donuts you have no service record!! People like YOU bray like asses about "fighting for freedom" from the safety of the closest couch!
The only reason you aren't interested in my questions is because you have no answer for them. You're a backseat politician Crid, if you're opinion were really all that valid, you wouldn't mind debating it with me.
Hey, looks like you're the coward. What, scared of being out-debated by a girl? Or is it loosing to a Canadian that has you so hot under the collar. Hey guess what! I'm French too!!
Angel at July 24, 2011 7:49 PM
Oh, and you can take your defense and shove it up your ass, because we don't need it, and once Harper is done, not only won't your military be defending us, but our oil and water will stay behind Canadian borders. Along with our lumber and beef.
OOOOOOOOOOOOPS, forgot you needed us too eh?
Angel at July 24, 2011 7:54 PM
Just reread your post Crid, are you that fucking stupid?
The CANADIANS invented the telephone you idiot, along with basketball, penicillin, the skidoo, and the CanadArm! You also have quite a few of our doctors up there!
If you ever get diabetes, I'll accept your thanks in advance.
Angel at July 24, 2011 8:01 PM
Meant to say insulin...
Angel at July 24, 2011 8:02 PM
You know crid, I'm glad you back, but your verbal bitch slaps used to be backed up with more than 'you're a foreigner' & 'well your job is controlled by te government'
lujlp at July 24, 2011 8:27 PM
Angel, which Canadians are you taking about? The British-Canadians. the French-Canadians or the Native-Canadians? The French-Canadians like US citizens better than they like the British-Canadians. Just go to Montreal and ask them -- I have. It might be strange to you, but most US citizens like Canadians of any ilk -- just ask us.
Jay J. Hector at July 24, 2011 8:36 PM
Thank you Jay J, but you'd never know it to listen to people like Crid and K.
Actually, Ontario French Canadians like English Canadians just fine. It's the Quebecors that are the problem. And ALLLLLLLL of Canada hates the damn Quebecors.
But I was referring to Canada as a whole. And the Montre-ballers smoke more then most of Canada!
Actually, we don't have a problem with most of the US policies, excepting of course, Arctic Sovereignty, military actions,environmental protection, gun control, and of course, marijuana laws. That's my take on it anyway.
If Crid wants to play like that, however...
Angel at July 24, 2011 8:57 PM
> I can't talk on the internet because
> it's an American invention?
You can't scold with jingoist idiocies... Not about the internet... Not without your bluff being called.
> you are so sure of the superiority of the
> US that you stuff the American dream down
> the throats of other nations
Were you compelled to visit this California website?... Or is it merely irresistible to you? The "superiority" is demonstrated by your willful visit and your presumption of rightful participation.
We're not actually friends or anything, but I get the sense that Amy's life typifies a daydream for many women around the world. She does the work she wants to do, signs the contracts she wants to sign, lives where she wants to live, visits the countries she wants to see, dates the men she wants to date, and pays her own debts.
(And pays her own taxes, some of which are used to [etc.])
> I bet dollars to donuts you have no
> service record!!
None whatsoever. But paying taxes to shelter your backside sometimes seems heroically risky.
> you aren't interested in my questions
True! Rule number #1: Be Interesting. You were saying something about weed, but I don't remember any questions. The notable part was your assumption that "Yanks" should care how others feel about our interior matters. Most of us wouldn't bother to critique another country's drug laws.
> CANADIANS invented the telephone
Oh.
Do you own an Iphone? Those are great!
> and the CanadArm!
You must be bustin' your buttons up there.
> once Harper is done, not only won't your
> military be defending us, but our oil
> and water will stay behind Canadian
> borders. Along with our lumber and beef.
Someone write that down!
> your verbal bitch slaps used to be
> backed up with more
So don't read them, Luj.
> most US citizens like Canadians of any ilk
Shatner, MJ Fox & Trebek all got great ilk! And Morrisette, too! When are the Junos this year, anyway?
A few years ago Alex, a longtime Angeleno, made a donation of pristine land to the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy. (This spine of chaparral through the center of Los Angeles includes some of America's most valuable real estate.) I'm pretty sure he doesn't want people growing dope on it.
> most US citizens like Canadians
Me too. Except when they talk like they're United States citizens, as if their ideas about our affairs deserve that same weight and consideration. They do not.
I'm mean, I could call you on the boundary violation every time. Mostly it's just weird how America is such a central fantasy in people's lives that they think they're already part of it.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 24, 2011 9:47 PM
YOU are why Americans have to guard the borders in the first place!!
Actually, to borrow from Uncle Miltie (the economist, that is), it's because we live in a welfare state.
Also, because the Quran, which is to be taken literally and unquestioningly, commands the death or conversion of the infidel and the installation of The New Caliphate around the globe. And before you start telling me there are perfectly lovely bits about the dove singing duets with the crow in the Quran (making that bit up), let me tell you that the later, evil and violent passages abrogate the earlier passages. (The Mecca vs. the Medina Quran.)
Best to be informed about Islam before lecturing me on what a peaceful religion it is, just FYI. (No fan of irrational beliefs of any kind, but I can get behind all that "turn the other cheek" and "feed the poor" business in Christianity, etc.)
Amy Alkon at July 24, 2011 9:56 PM
Please remember to phrase your blog post in the form of a question...
Whatever. Sincere thanks to Alex Trebek.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 24, 2011 10:07 PM
Amy;
You guys have to defend against more then Islam. They aren't the only ones out there with a problem with the Yanks. North Korea, for one.... (Holy SHIT that guy is nuts!)
Crid says I shouldn't be allowed to take part in a debate revolving around American Interior Policy, and yet the US has started how many wars in countries having little to do with the US, over matters having next to nothing to do with them? The American Military likes to start fights in has no business being in. Take 'Nam for example.
Religion has nothing to do with it.
Crid;
A wise man once said:
Don't start nuthin, won't be nuthin!!!
That's a quote you should take into consideration on this blog, and in your life. You say don't like it, don't read it. Well, take your own advice.
And you still have yet to debate over marijuana laws.
Was it something I said? :D
Angel at July 24, 2011 10:43 PM
> A wise man once said:
> Don't start nuthin, won't be nuthin!!
Was he wearing his own teeth?
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 25, 2011 6:24 AM
Are you?
Do you, by chance, come from Alabama? And have a banjo on your knee?
Asking stupid questions by way of smart-ass retort only makes you look like a dumb ass.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck......
Angel at July 25, 2011 6:28 AM
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