I wonder what it would take to go before SCOTUS to give them an opportunity to rule on the constitutionality of TSA. Of course, after the Kelo decision, I wouldn't trust them to judge a dog show.

Regarding my last question, I'm well aware of the Rule of Four, in case anyone feels the need to explain it. I'm just wondering what it would take to petition for a Writ of Cert from SCOTUS in the first place.

Studies put the average rate of pedophilia in the population between 3% and 9%. If there are 50,000 TSA agents then an extremely conservative estimate suggests a minimum of 1500 pedophiles are actively employed by the government to feel our children up. In reality it will be much worse, because pedophiles are certainly going to be disproportionately attracted to a job that allows them to get paid to feel childrens private parts.

Note that if each of those 1500 pat down only one child per day, it means that a minimum of 1500 children are sexually abused daily by the federal government. Submit to power and enjoy.

ADULT ENTERTAINER Statement Of Understanding Operating Requirements And Regulations: 33.3610(b) – No Touching During Performances: An adult entertainer shall not intentionally touch any patron during any performance, or allow any patron to intentionally touch the entertainer whether the entertainer is nude or not. 33.3610(c) – No Touching of Specified Anatomical Areas at any Time: An adult entertainer shall not touch specified anatomical areas of any person, or allow any person to touch the specified anatomical areas of the adult entertainer.

The thing that no one has asked is what is the TSA's legal status -- Are they Law Enforcement (LE)? If they are LE they have the right of criminal arrest for violation the law. They also have to abide by the constitutional rights as established in the state and federal constitutions.

If they are not LE -- that means they are security, and actually have no more rights than anyone as to search and seizure.

I was a Security Police Augmentee while in the USAF. (Basically when the regulars went to the field, I got to guard the gates of the base.) I did not have the right to stop someone for speeding. I was given an M-16 -- but if I used it -- there would have been a load of crap with it.

Then as a civilian -- I worked as a security guard. The rules were such that I could stop person X from entering a facility with verbal commands and presence, but if I touched them (not in self-defense) I could be sued personally and as the company. If I observed person X walking out the front door with a <Valuable Item>, I could question them, but could not restrain or detain them. It was all theater.

I wonder what they would do if 30, 50, or a 100 people (as a mob) just walked by them to the jetway. I'm sure they would shut down the airport for security reasons, but if the people were ticketed passengers -- what would happen? They are ticketed passengers on airline X. How could they be arrested for trespassing? If the TSA is law enforcement --- then they could arrest them. But since they get the local police for anything, that tells me they aren't LE. Or in other words, they have no more rights than you or me and can be ignored.

But, couldn't they have them arrested en masse?

But, couldn't they have them arrested en masse?

The question is for what? Not following the orders of the TSA? Is the TSA enforcing laws or regulations? Failure to follow regulations punishable by tickets.

They may be charged with inducing panic, or disturbing the peace, etc. Then when they show up in court and force the issue. The basis for the legal charge would have to be that they didn't observe the TSA regulations. If they are ticketed passengers, they aren't trespassing. If they aren't carrying anything that can be considered a weapon, where is the panic? The whole TSA apparatchik would be put to the test.

I'm not usually an advocate of mob actions -- but this might be one that would that I could support.

The whole question is that this isn't actually a law. Just like the smoking ban in NYC parks. If you dig down the NYC Parks Department can issue a summons -- not a ticket -- for smoking in the park. The summons is civil, not legal.

If the TSA had legal authority they would be posting at the bottom of their signs something along the lines of "Failure to observe these laws can result in fines up to $##K and imprisonment up to ## months." You would also have hundreds, if not thousands, of arrests if they had legal authority. Considering the amount of crap they have confiscated over the years -- they have no legal authority.

I bet if someone were to dig down deep enough the only law they could find would be the formation of the TSA and what is their basic responsibility. The whole search, confiscation, porno scanners and the rest are regulation. Violation of regulations is not violation of the law.

And another thing is that they have to obtain your consent to search you.

Refusing consent they turn you away. What if you refused to leave? They then have police arrest you, again why? If someone forced the issue and was arrested or ticketed and then took it to court, I bet the judge would dismiss the ticket, rather than let it go through the appeals process.

So I just reposted Lobsters comments above on facebook. I've posted it 3 times. Each time, FB has it down within 10 mins. Scary.

I cooperate but I don't consent. I am being forced to consent because I can't afford to not continue my business travel. This is like sexual harassment where they say "Have sex with me or lose your job."

momof4, this is very disturbing. Did you post both comments above?

Yep, both. The second one is what they keep deleting.

"Studies put the average rate of pedophilia in the population between 3% and 9%."

Considering that's a factor of 3 difference, I wonder what definitions are used, for age, appearance and activity.

In another thread, parents taking pictures of their kids are pedophiles. In another, the 18-year-old guy with a 17-year-old girlfriend.

How old must she look in footie pajamas for me not to be a pervert?
Is a picture the same thing as a person, now?