1. Standards of conduct briefings will be conducted for all protective visits, events and NSSEs, as well as prior to foreign car plane departures.
2. The U.S. Department of State Regional Security Officer will work with the USSS advance team to provide intensified country-specific briefings upon arrival in a foreign country. The briefings will update personnel on safety issues, off-limit zones and off-limit establishments for USSS personnel, and any country-specific rules imposed by the Ambassador.
3. Foreign nationals, excluding hotel staff and official counterparts, are prohibited in your hotel room.
4. Patronization of non-reputable establishments is prohibited.
5. Alcohol may only be consumed in moderate amounts while off-duty on a TDY assignment and alcohol use is prohibited within 10 hours of reporting for duty.
6. Alcohol may not be consumed at the protectee hotel once the protective visit has begun.
The following measures relating to foreign car plane staffing are effective immediately.
1. Car planes will be staffed with two GS-15 supervisors — one from the Office of Professional Responsibility and one from the field.
2. The car plane supervisors will be responsible for briefing the standards of conduct expectations prior to departure to the destination country, as well as for enforcing these standards while in the foreign country.
3. All personnel traveling will have to have completed relevant LMS-based ethics training in order to be eligible for protective travel.
4. The Security Clearance Division will intensify country-specific briefings covering all pertinent topics prior to departure for the destination country.
5. 5. Laws of the United States shall apply to Secret Service personnel while abroad.
So, there's that. (Boldface emphasis by yer ol' Uncle Cridmo.) Kinduva a shame it had to be said explicitly for grown men working in the service of their country overseas, but here we are.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail]
at April 28, 2012 10:10 PM
"Laws of the United States shall apply to Secret Service personnel while abroad."
If my speed limit in DC is 25mph can I still drive at 190kph on the autobahn?
Ssecret Ssquirrel
at April 29, 2012 2:53 AM
Speed limits are contextual; whore-mongering is not. You're supposed observe the speed limit, whatever it is. You're not supposed to pester whores (or break their collarbones), wherever you are.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail]
at April 29, 2012 3:24 AM
The laws of the United States do not include any that make
prostitution illegal. Some localities prohibit it and some permit
it (see some areas of Nevada). However, provision 3 means that the
Secret Service can only patronize U.S. citizen prostitutes for
in-room calls. I.e.: the foreign national provision is designed
to protect U.S. jobs.
Ron
at April 29, 2012 5:21 AM
Speed limits are contextual; whore-mongering is not. -- Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at April 29, 2012 3:24 AM
So that means they can't go outside of Vegas and pay for it? What about the red-light districts where it's legal, like in Cartagena?
Mrs. Donovan was walking down O'Connell Street in Dublin when she met up with Father Flaherty. The Father said, 'Top o' the mornin' to ye! Aren't ye Mrs. Donovan and didn't I marry ye and yer hoosband two years ago?'
She replied, 'Aye, that ye did, Father.'
The Father asked, 'And be there any wee little ones yet?'
She replied, 'No, not yet, Father.'
The Father said, 'Well now, I'm going to Rome next week and I'll light a fertility candle for ye and yer hoosband.'
She replied, 'Oh, thank ye, Father...'
They then parted ways..
Some years later they met again. The Father asked, 'Well now, Mrs. Donovan, how are ye these days?'
She replied, 'Oh, very well, Father!'
The Father asked, 'And tell me, have ye any wee ones yet?'
She replied, 'Oh yes, Father! Two sets of twins and six singles, ten in all!'
The Father said, 'That's wonderful! How is yer loving hoosband doing?'
She replied, 'E's gone to Rome to blow out yer feckin' candle.'
"Speed limits are contextual; whore-mongering is not."
I see, please give us the exact federal statue which makes protitution illegal.
Also in many areas of the US the age of consent for sex is 16, does this mean a secret service agenet while being prohibited from fucking a 30yr old prostitute can have sex for free with a 16 yr old?
Also define "non-reputable" I know of legal drinking establishments that are far less reputable than illegal cat houses
Where I work, we operators all have to qualify to administer first aid and CPR. Unfortunately, none of us look like this, and so the instructor is careful to emphasize the "shaking shoulders and speaking to them" part. In a stentorian voice, he intones, "There are only two things that can happen if you try to give mouth-to-mouth to a man who doesn't need it. He will like it, or he will not."
Radwaste
at April 29, 2012 1:06 PM
> see some areas of Nevada
It's almost amusing that so many lonely men imagine that this one stretch of impoverished, late-to-modernity desert expresses the larger opinion of the United State about prostitution. You guys are really, really horny for exceptions.
> I see, please give us the exact federal statue
> which makes protitution illegal.
1. I don't have to... I'm not an attorney, and you're not an attorney, as we see below.
2. Who said anything about federal statutes?
3. If this defense of the USSS guys works, then how come it, y'know, doesn't work? The consequences are still coming down for them, not receding.
> does this mean a secret service agenet while
> being prohibited from fucking a 30yr old
> prostitute can have sex for free with a
> 16 yr old?
If you wanted more desperately to express the personal desperation at the root of your position in the form of a question, how would you do so? Is it not obvious that you're taking posture of a six-year-old on a meth-&-Cocoa Puffs rampage, ready to transgress and defile WHATEVER standards exist in your environment, until you reach the impenetrable shale of the Earth herself?
Do you think anyone in the world wants to write down every single thing a USSS agent will be expected not to do, sexually and otherwise? There's a recession on: Wouldn't it be easier just to higher a more agreeable agent?
Tell you what: Next time you get so congestively enraged at public opinion, write out of a list of things like that, "Does this mean ____?!?!?" Then, when the list is full and complete, write the word "Yes" after each of them.
> Also define "non-reputable" I know of legal
> drinking establishments that are far less
> reputable than illegal cat houses
You'll not find a lot of courtroom persuasion (or termination-hearing victories) in approaching every conflict like an offended teenager.
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at April 29, 2012 8:11 PM
Crid, a law is a law is a law, and they are ALL contextual. There are laws for states and laws for the nation. You cannot apply the statutes of Road Island to Barcelona or Rome or Columbia. When they say the laws of the United States apply, they mean that literally, federal laws.
Furthermore, Crid is correct, he does not "have" to provide the federal law to us that prohibits prostitution. Of course...if he wants to support his POINT he does...but there is no requirement otherwise. And of course...he won't, because no such law exists.
Even if 99% of the United States hates prostitution, dislike does not equate to global crusade barring it. And frankly, I doubt even half of Americans give a shit.
If they really DID give a shit, then they would make it legal everywhere and start making laws that protect these women instead of making them into fucking criminals. You care so much crid, why don't you bother to look at how the law treats them in the U.S. versus elsewhere in the world. In Germany they have families, lives, can come and go as they please, quit or start when they want, so on and so forth. Your notion that somehow they're this battered and abused and ill treated element of castoffs from society that deserve either pity or jail time, has served nobody well at all. Which is better, a prostitute that can call the police if someone robs, threatens, or beats her, who works in a safe establishment where regular testing is performed and she can quit when she wants...or the situation you so commonly describe about how prostitutes live, which may indeed be the norm in the United States.
The real question here crid, is why the hell is this such a big deal to you? I've seen a lot of your arguments over the last few years, and while on many of them I disagree, I can at least see the logic behind your reasoning. But there just doesn't seem to be any here. You've gone back and forth between personal attacks and speaking on behalf of "modern people"...which is just this side of loony toons delusion, since we're all "modern people" by definition, and we are most certainly not in agreement. Oh, and your generalizations about prostitutes and prostitution as a whole, as if you'd ever been to an establishment, spoken to a prostitute, or even left the country, all of which I seriously doubt.
In all fairness, there are perfectly legitimate reasons for the white house to lay out ground rules that prohibit licentious behavior while abroad. And if they lay out rules to that effect, sobeit (as they have now), then fire the ones that violate them.
Robert
at April 29, 2012 11:30 PM
> When they say the laws of the United States
> apply, they mean that literally, federal laws.
Mebbe.
> Of course...if he wants to support his POINT he
> does...but there is no requirement otherwise.
Not really... After a few years' worth of Luukildipik's infantile dares, one begins to sense that he's got nothing to offer but an child's argument's of "Oh yeah?," and one need not jump through hoops. Prostitution isn't tolerated in the United States: People get in trouble for it. Just as an example, the USSS guys lost their jobs. The fact that there's some corner of a desert Hell-hole where prostitution happens doesn't mean that's represents the will of the United States. If you're so certain that it does, try it in court and let us know how it works for you.
> dislike does not equate to global crusade
> barring it.
Go ahead; pretend the wind is at your back. That's what the USSS & military guys did, and they've caused an international humiliation and lost their jobs.
> If they really DID give a shit, then they would
> make it legal everywhere and start making laws
> that protect these women instead of making them
> into fucking criminals.
That's just head-fucked, absolutely ludicrous. The United States protects women by making prostitution illegal, and simultaneously (not-coincidentally) offers them more opportunities for achievement than any culture in human history. Bitch all you want; Nowhere, nowhere has it ever been a better to be a woman than in the United States of America.
> why the hell is this such a big deal to you?
Because I'm so profoundly embarrassed for you. Because it's so fucking appalling that a grown American man's half-swollen pecker could corrupt his understanding of the forces that have made his life and his country so rich, of which righteous feminism is preeminent.
If you want to be QUIETLY pathetic, no one will care...Try that.
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at April 30, 2012 5:18 AM
Or, Bobbysox, if you like... Keep going! Take the Robert Test, as I like to call it.
Prostitution... It's just a job, right? Economic activity! A private transaction between matched players in a marketplace which increases human happiness... It creates wealth! Correct? Amirite? Sure! It's a job that has some advantages and some disadvantages.
So it's like flipping burgers, or changing oil at AAMCO, or shampooing carpet, or working a factory line. Nothing to be ashamed of!
So answer me this...
Which women in your life who you were going to love anyway should have been sucking cock for money?
• Your grandmother on your father's side, maybe? Should she have sucked off the owner of that country grocery store so that your Baby Uncle Edgar could have had a cup of fresh beans instead of some week-old bread heels? The Great Depression going on, and people had to do what they had to do, right?
• A maiden aunt, perhaps? Should she have been turning tricks instead of clipping coupons and waiting for her Social Security to kick in?
• A woman from your own generation, maybe a sister or cousin?
• A daughter who needs to move out and learn how to make her own way through the world?
Any, or all? Let us know.
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at April 30, 2012 6:16 AM
"Which women in your life who you were going to love anyway should have been sucking cock for money?"
e) My Ex-wife.
Hey come on, it's a joke thread.
smurfy
at April 30, 2012 4:41 PM
So these two Popes go in to a bar.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at May 1, 2012 5:20 PM
Gog, that's the second time you've posted that. What does it mean? Even the internet doesn't know.
It's like you're not from around here, but a real square little fella...
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at May 1, 2012 5:38 PM
Hiya Martin! Mornin' Robert! Whassup, Lookoojipitilik! Howzit Shakin', Raddy!
So, there's that. (Boldface emphasis by yer ol' Uncle Cridmo.) Kinduva a shame it had to be said explicitly for grown men working in the service of their country overseas, but here we are.
Crid at April 28, 2012 9:57 PM
Pic
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at April 28, 2012 10:01 PM
I wanna look like these guys.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at April 28, 2012 10:10 PM
"Laws of the United States shall apply to Secret Service personnel while abroad."
If my speed limit in DC is 25mph can I still drive at 190kph on the autobahn?
Ssecret Ssquirrel at April 29, 2012 2:53 AM
Speed limits are contextual; whore-mongering is not. You're supposed observe the speed limit, whatever it is. You're not supposed to pester whores (or break their collarbones), wherever you are.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at April 29, 2012 3:24 AM
The laws of the United States do not include any that make
prostitution illegal. Some localities prohibit it and some permit
it (see some areas of Nevada). However, provision 3 means that the
Secret Service can only patronize U.S. citizen prostitutes for
in-room calls. I.e.: the foreign national provision is designed
to protect U.S. jobs.
Ron at April 29, 2012 5:21 AM
So that means they can't go outside of Vegas and pay for it? What about the red-light districts where it's legal, like in Cartagena?
Jim P. at April 29, 2012 5:25 AM
Mrs. Donovan was walking down O'Connell Street in Dublin when she met up with Father Flaherty. The Father said, 'Top o' the mornin' to ye! Aren't ye Mrs. Donovan and didn't I marry ye and yer hoosband two years ago?'
She replied, 'Aye, that ye did, Father.'
The Father asked, 'And be there any wee little ones yet?'
She replied, 'No, not yet, Father.'
The Father said, 'Well now, I'm going to Rome next week and I'll light a fertility candle for ye and yer hoosband.'
She replied, 'Oh, thank ye, Father...'
They then parted ways..
Some years later they met again. The Father asked, 'Well now, Mrs. Donovan, how are ye these days?'
She replied, 'Oh, very well, Father!'
The Father asked, 'And tell me, have ye any wee ones yet?'
She replied, 'Oh yes, Father! Two sets of twins and six singles, ten in all!'
The Father said, 'That's wonderful! How is yer loving hoosband doing?'
She replied, 'E's gone to Rome to blow out yer feckin' candle.'
Jim P. at April 29, 2012 5:32 AM
> So that means they can't go outside of Vegas
> and pay for it?
Certainly not on the clock.
> What about the red-light districts where it's
> legal, like in Cartagena?
That's the topic: No.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at April 29, 2012 5:55 AM
Insanity can be defined as doing the same thing repeatedly expecting a different outcome each time.
Does that not prove that women are insane?
They spend countless hours trying to attract the perfect man, and after they find him they do nothing but complain about him.
Jim P. at April 29, 2012 8:13 AM
Roy, an undertaker, recently came home with a black eye.
"What happened to you?" asked his wife.
"I had a terrible day." replied Roy. "I had to go to a hotel and pick up a man who had died in his sleep.
"When I got there, the manager said they couldn't get him into a body bag because he had this huge erection.
"Anyway, I went up and, sure enough, there was this big naked guy lying on the bed with this huge erection.
"So I grabbed it with both hands and tried to snap it in half."
"I see" said his wife, "that must have been awful, but how did you get the black eye?"
"Roy replied:"Wrong room."
Jim P. at April 29, 2012 8:16 AM
"Speed limits are contextual; whore-mongering is not."
I see, please give us the exact federal statue which makes protitution illegal.
Also in many areas of the US the age of consent for sex is 16, does this mean a secret service agenet while being prohibited from fucking a 30yr old prostitute can have sex for free with a 16 yr old?
Also define "non-reputable" I know of legal drinking establishments that are far less reputable than illegal cat houses
Also what exactly is "LMW-based ethics training"?
lujlp at April 29, 2012 1:05 PM
Where I work, we operators all have to qualify to administer first aid and CPR. Unfortunately, none of us look like this, and so the instructor is careful to emphasize the "shaking shoulders and speaking to them" part. In a stentorian voice, he intones, "There are only two things that can happen if you try to give mouth-to-mouth to a man who doesn't need it. He will like it, or he will not."
Radwaste at April 29, 2012 1:06 PM
> see some areas of Nevada
It's almost amusing that so many lonely men imagine that this one stretch of impoverished, late-to-modernity desert expresses the larger opinion of the United State about prostitution. You guys are really, really horny for exceptions.
> I see, please give us the exact federal statue
> which makes protitution illegal.
1. I don't have to... I'm not an attorney, and you're not an attorney, as we see below.
2. Who said anything about federal statutes?
3. If this defense of the USSS guys works, then how come it, y'know, doesn't work? The consequences are still coming down for them, not receding.
> does this mean a secret service agenet while
> being prohibited from fucking a 30yr old
> prostitute can have sex for free with a
> 16 yr old?
If you wanted more desperately to express the personal desperation at the root of your position in the form of a question, how would you do so? Is it not obvious that you're taking posture of a six-year-old on a meth-&-Cocoa Puffs rampage, ready to transgress and defile WHATEVER standards exist in your environment, until you reach the impenetrable shale of the Earth herself?
Do you think anyone in the world wants to write down every single thing a USSS agent will be expected not to do, sexually and otherwise? There's a recession on: Wouldn't it be easier just to higher a more agreeable agent?
Tell you what: Next time you get so congestively enraged at public opinion, write out of a list of things like that, "Does this mean ____?!?!?" Then, when the list is full and complete, write the word "Yes" after each of them.
> Also define "non-reputable" I know of legal
> drinking establishments that are far less
> reputable than illegal cat houses
You'll not find a lot of courtroom persuasion (or termination-hearing victories) in approaching every conflict like an offended teenager.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at April 29, 2012 8:11 PM
Crid, a law is a law is a law, and they are ALL contextual. There are laws for states and laws for the nation. You cannot apply the statutes of Road Island to Barcelona or Rome or Columbia. When they say the laws of the United States apply, they mean that literally, federal laws.
Furthermore, Crid is correct, he does not "have" to provide the federal law to us that prohibits prostitution. Of course...if he wants to support his POINT he does...but there is no requirement otherwise. And of course...he won't, because no such law exists.
Even if 99% of the United States hates prostitution, dislike does not equate to global crusade barring it. And frankly, I doubt even half of Americans give a shit.
If they really DID give a shit, then they would make it legal everywhere and start making laws that protect these women instead of making them into fucking criminals. You care so much crid, why don't you bother to look at how the law treats them in the U.S. versus elsewhere in the world. In Germany they have families, lives, can come and go as they please, quit or start when they want, so on and so forth. Your notion that somehow they're this battered and abused and ill treated element of castoffs from society that deserve either pity or jail time, has served nobody well at all. Which is better, a prostitute that can call the police if someone robs, threatens, or beats her, who works in a safe establishment where regular testing is performed and she can quit when she wants...or the situation you so commonly describe about how prostitutes live, which may indeed be the norm in the United States.
The real question here crid, is why the hell is this such a big deal to you? I've seen a lot of your arguments over the last few years, and while on many of them I disagree, I can at least see the logic behind your reasoning. But there just doesn't seem to be any here. You've gone back and forth between personal attacks and speaking on behalf of "modern people"...which is just this side of loony toons delusion, since we're all "modern people" by definition, and we are most certainly not in agreement. Oh, and your generalizations about prostitutes and prostitution as a whole, as if you'd ever been to an establishment, spoken to a prostitute, or even left the country, all of which I seriously doubt.
In all fairness, there are perfectly legitimate reasons for the white house to lay out ground rules that prohibit licentious behavior while abroad. And if they lay out rules to that effect, sobeit (as they have now), then fire the ones that violate them.
Robert at April 29, 2012 11:30 PM
> When they say the laws of the United States
> apply, they mean that literally, federal laws.
Mebbe.
> Of course...if he wants to support his POINT he
> does...but there is no requirement otherwise.
Not really... After a few years' worth of Luukildipik's infantile dares, one begins to sense that he's got nothing to offer but an child's argument's of "Oh yeah?," and one need not jump through hoops. Prostitution isn't tolerated in the United States: People get in trouble for it. Just as an example, the USSS guys lost their jobs. The fact that there's some corner of a desert Hell-hole where prostitution happens doesn't mean that's represents the will of the United States. If you're so certain that it does, try it in court and let us know how it works for you.
> dislike does not equate to global crusade
> barring it.
Go ahead; pretend the wind is at your back. That's what the USSS & military guys did, and they've caused an international humiliation and lost their jobs.
> If they really DID give a shit, then they would
> make it legal everywhere and start making laws
> that protect these women instead of making them
> into fucking criminals.
That's just head-fucked, absolutely ludicrous. The United States protects women by making prostitution illegal, and simultaneously (not-coincidentally) offers them more opportunities for achievement than any culture in human history. Bitch all you want; Nowhere, nowhere has it ever been a better to be a woman than in the United States of America.
> why the hell is this such a big deal to you?
Because I'm so profoundly embarrassed for you. Because it's so fucking appalling that a grown American man's half-swollen pecker could corrupt his understanding of the forces that have made his life and his country so rich, of which righteous feminism is preeminent.
If you want to be QUIETLY pathetic, no one will care...Try that.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at April 30, 2012 5:18 AM
Or, Bobbysox, if you like... Keep going! Take the Robert Test, as I like to call it.
Prostitution... It's just a job, right? Economic activity! A private transaction between matched players in a marketplace which increases human happiness... It creates wealth! Correct? Amirite? Sure! It's a job that has some advantages and some disadvantages.
So it's like flipping burgers, or changing oil at AAMCO, or shampooing carpet, or working a factory line. Nothing to be ashamed of!
So answer me this...
Which women in your life who you were going to love anyway should have been sucking cock for money?
Any, or all? Let us know.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at April 30, 2012 6:16 AM
"Which women in your life who you were going to love anyway should have been sucking cock for money?"
e) My Ex-wife.
Hey come on, it's a joke thread.
smurfy at April 30, 2012 4:41 PM
So these two Popes go in to a bar.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at May 1, 2012 5:20 PM
Gog, that's the second time you've posted that. What does it mean? Even the internet doesn't know.
It's like you're not from around here, but a real square little fella...
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at May 1, 2012 5:38 PM
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