Your Right To Blast Disco At 11pm Ends Where My Living Room Begins
A note for an asshole who now lives nearby, who took over the rooms of all the nearby houses with their extremely loud music. Note that I am being careful not to refer to this person as a "neighbor," since they do not behave like one:
Regarding your blastingly loud, amplified outdoor music on Saturday night:This is a neighborhood you moved into, not a giant, open-air disco.
People who live here have a right to the quiet enjoyment of their homes and apartments, meaning that they don't have amplified, super-loud music blasting into their homes when they want to read a book, watch TV, talk with their dinner guests or sleep.
If you want to hold a party with amplified outdoor sound (or any sound that would invade others' residences), the considerate thing to do is to pay to rent a party space -- not force your neighbors to put up with your party noise.
Last night, almost a block away from you, we were watching a movie on TV (with all the doors and windows closed) and at one point we couldn't hear the dialogue because your music was so loud.
How were you raised that you think this is okay?
--Your neighbors
Do whatever you want -- as long as whatever you're doing doesn't shove itself into other people's homes, transforming their environment.







There was a nose curfew when I lived in LA. I think it was 9:00.
JT at May 14, 2013 7:08 AM
Amy, I feel your pain. I've had my own struggles with this. I tried being nice and knocking on their door, no answer day or night. Now I call the cops, every time. I don't mind that I can hear their music a bit, we have other neighbors who rehearse in their home with their mariachi band. What drives me insane is the nonstop pulsing bass.
Phoenix has a noise curfew, but loud music that disturbs the neighbors is not allowed at any time so I can call the neighborhood relations officer or the non-emergency police line and ask them to send a car to stop the throbbing, which is really not any less irritating at 8pm than it is at 10.
The precinct actually has a party patrol for these types of calls so I'm not causing a rapist to go free while the cops break up a party (a concern I expressed when the neighborhood officer asked me to please call every time).
The Jingoist at May 14, 2013 7:28 AM
It's not always necessary to call the police, although definitely do so if you're not getting anywhere with the people involved.
My husband told me that, the day his ex-wife left him, he blasted really depressing music in his apartment for hours. The guy upstairs came down and said, "Dude, you're killing me." My husband lowered the volume and everyone went about their business.
MonicaP at May 14, 2013 8:03 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/05/14/your_right_to_b.html#comment-3707983">comment from JTThe noise laws should be unnecessary to anyone who is at all considerate. It isn't hard to figure out, when you live in a neighborhood where houses are 8 to 10 feet away from each other, that other people may be disturbed if you put huge amplifiers in your backyard and crank the volume.
Amy Alkon
at May 14, 2013 8:03 AM
I see a niche here, a place to use the glut of excess attorneys in the United States. How about some of them specialize in whacking the noise offenders with a civil suit for depriving neighbors of the quiet enjoyment of their property?
Hit the jerks in their bank account, and I bet they shut up. Complaining that they are being anti-social or rude, why should they care? Take their money and time.
515Mark at May 14, 2013 8:06 AM
It's not always necessary to call the police, although definitely do so if you're not getting anywhere with the people involved.
My husband told me that, the day his ex-wife left him, he blasted really depressing music in his apartment for hours. The guy upstairs came down and said, "Dude, you're killing me." My husband lowered the volume and everyone went about their business.
MonicaP at May 14, 2013 8:12 AM
We have neighbors who throw parties with fairly loud music about once every 3 months but they are quite good about shutting it down at 10 pm when the noise curfew comes into effect here in Corpus.
I don't tend to be bothered by people having a good time and having a party as long as it isn't every night and they make an effort to work with the neighbors.
I would be bothered by music from a block away drowning out the dialogue of my TV when the house is locked down. Nobody should have to deal with a KISS concert in their neighborhood. Can you even imagine what it must have been like for the folks actually in a house next door.
causticf at May 14, 2013 8:18 AM
The precinct actually has a party patrol for these types of calls...
Awesome, I wish we had one here in CT! The neighborhood we moved into is okay, but we're too close to a sketchy part of the next town, and we get the spill-over. When we first moved here, there was an asshat who lived on the little sidestreet here in between 2 long streets. When he started playing his music, it was at a tolerable level, but as the day went on it would get louder and louder, until the bass was actually rattling my windows. I took a walk down the street (he saw me coming) and he lowered it. As I was walking back to the house, he turned it up again. I called the cops. Last summer (we've been here going on 3 years) I didn't hear him at all so I think he may have moved. Yay!
But yeah, around here, calling the police for things of this nature does nothing but aggravate them. So I don't bother.
Flynne at May 14, 2013 8:20 AM
Amy--go down to your local station house, ala Erin B. and introduce yourself. Get the number, and whenever this happens, call. Call again. Get to know your cops. Our local police are great people and usually respond very quickly.
KateC at May 14, 2013 8:44 AM
There seems to be a notion among inconsiderate people that loud music is "Always OK" on Friday and Saturday's because it's "the weekend."
We were throwing a party a few weeks ago and had some music playing quietly from our laptop. One of our friends plugged the thing into our big speakers without asking us. I was outside grabbing stuff from the car, and I heard the bass throbbing out our windows. I rushed in and unplugged the thing to protests of "AAAH COME ON!" I replied that the lady two doors down is a nurse who often works long, early shifts. "But it's SATURDAAAY!" they guy whined. Ummm...news flash: ADULTS often have jobs that require them to work on weekends.
tl;dr: Noise is part of close-quarter living. But amplified noise is NEVER OK.
sofar at May 14, 2013 8:53 AM
I agree laws wouldn't be necessary if everyone had good manners. And money wouldn't be necessary if everything you wanted grew on trees.
NicoleK at May 14, 2013 9:18 AM
I sometimes have rehersals at my home with a 4 piece band, that includes drums and guitar, for the show I am currently in. Sometimes, we go past 9pm. If we are rehearsing at home, I go straight to my neighbors and alert them to it prior to the start of rehearsal. Most of the time, they are cool with it and appreciate our warning. (We rarely go past 10:00; we all work too) And, as our homes aren't THAT close together and the sound is mostly muffled by the walls, and trees surrounding the property, we've never really had an issue. But, if they ever said they'd actually not be okay with it, I'd make sure that rehearsal stopped at 9pm. Period. That's being a good neighbor.
Sabrina at May 14, 2013 9:18 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/05/14/your_right_to_b.html#comment-3708107">comment from KateCKateC, thanks -- you have no idea how well I know the local cops. The captain here is awful. The community policing guy is awful. But I have the dispatch number on speed dial, and you'd better believe I speed-dialed it that night, as well as sending it to neighbors I know were bothered and didn't have it.
Amy Alkon
at May 14, 2013 9:43 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/05/14/your_right_to_b.html#comment-3708112">comment from NicoleKAnd money wouldn't be necessary if everything you wanted grew on trees.
I would prefer that everything I wanted would be delivered, taken in by the butler, unwrapped and presented to me on a silver tray.
Amy Alkon
at May 14, 2013 9:44 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/05/14/your_right_to_b.html#comment-3708181">comment from SabrinaSabrina, you are a good neighbor. Just having somebody care and worry that others are bothered makes a difference.
My neighbors' kids sometimes annoy the skin off me, but they are sweet children, raised to be considerate, and so noise that might make me really angry if it came from people who didn't give a shit is something I try to deal with. (If they're running the Big Wheel up and down next to my house, I'll ask them to do it by their house, but they are sweet about it -- though I know they try to get away with a run or two before I come out.)
I have such a nice relationship with these people -- because they are so considerate -- that my refrigerator is a museum of "I LOVE YOU, AMY!" art from the little girl. She made me a May Day basket that about broke my heart, it was so sweet of her, and gave me a bracelet she made me a few days ago. She's 8 with a big heart.
Amy Alkon
at May 14, 2013 10:21 AM
My question is wtf kinda stereo set up the guy had?
Almost a block away and you could hear him over the movie? That's gotta be some kick ass equipment. Not your run of the mill bass booster, for sho.
He oughta be careful that equipment doesn't get nipped, especially now that he advertised it to an entire city block.
He's also a stupid kind of inconsiderate. That level of noise could get him slapped with a noise pollution charge, which, up here anyways, carries a much stiffer penalty.
wtf at May 14, 2013 10:25 AM
"But it's SATURDAAAY!"
It's pretty amazing how often people with 9-5 jobs have no clue that not everyone gets a weekend. They go out to dinner or a concert or whatever - and what do they think? Is that a robot cooking their food, selling them tickets, driving the bus? What kind of strange aliens do they think run the 24-hour supermarket, when they get the munchies at 2am?
For lots of people it's not TGIF, it's "Damn, Friday, time for 12-hour shifts again."
a_random_guy at May 14, 2013 11:27 AM
I have a pretty damn good Home Theater setup at home and I crank that thing all the time.
But, I ask my neighbours pretty often if I'm bothering them with noise at all and they've always said they can't hear me. Good windows, insulated, good walls/fences between homes.. seems to do the trick.
I, of course, close the front door at night once it's getting late to keep the noise from getting out that way.
How people can be so inconsiderate of their neighbours always baffles me.
Miguelitosd at May 14, 2013 5:59 PM
It's been years now and the kid (now 15) still doesn't get it.
I actually don't work 9 to 5, I usually work noonish until 7pm or so (in office, plus plenty more time remote from home) mostly to avoid traffic. But even with my hours, it's clear other people don't think. People starting up super early on the weekend with really noisy stuff bugs me from time to time too.
Miguelitosd at May 14, 2013 6:08 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/05/14/your_right_to_b.html#comment-3708470">comment from MiguelitosdIt's pretty amazing how often people with 9-5 jobs have no clue that not everyone gets a weekend.
The snot of a young soap opera actress who moved in next door and was having guitar sing-a-longs in her backyard until 3 a.m. or so was like this. There was an infant on one side of her house -- four feet from her house, I estimate, and about five feet away, slept two young kids and their parents. There was also an old lady backing up right up to her property, and then I'm in the front and there are two men who live across the alley from her. She kept ALLLL of us up with the loud singing -- outdoors, in her backyard, into the wee hours (although I am assuming with the guys, because I only talked to the other neighbors about this).
PS I just delivered this note -- put it in their mailbox and taped a copy on both sides of their fence (they're on a corner). I hope a lot of people read it, or they think a lot of people did, and are embarrassed, but they're probably too entitled.
Amy Alkon
at May 14, 2013 6:56 PM
Sadly, in my experience with noisy neighbors they often don't "get it."
And no amount of asking them to lower the volume, no matter how nice you ask, amounts to much. They will often think they YOU are the problem.
A few years back, I had a neighbor whose teenage daughter would "park" in front of my place with her boyfriend blasting the car stereo so loud that my windows rattled. The only thing that happened after I asked her if they could lower the volume was to have him throw his fast-food garbage out on the street in front of my place every time he was there.
You see, it wasn't his loud music that was the problem; in his mind it was the old fart (me) "telling him what to do" that was the problem and he showed me by trashing the place every time he was there.
Like a dog marking its territory.
Charles at May 14, 2013 7:30 PM
My husband has a band. They used to rehearse on Saturday afternoons from 3:00 to 6:00. We talked to everyone up to about a block away. No problem. Everyone we talked to said that they loved listening to them. People of all ages brought out lawn chairs and sat in our driveway. Fun.
Then the police came. A lady more than a block away complained. She was a law school student who was bothered by the noise. She didn't think that it was right to have to close her windows to study.
The band rented a place to practice. Many more people complained when they band shut things down. Our neighbors said that they weren't even loud. We want to be good neighbors. I guess the squeaky wheel wins.
PS. If this invaded homes or occurred after 10:00, I would be totally sympathetic.
Jen at May 14, 2013 7:38 PM
My husband has a band. They used to rehearse on Saturday afternoons from 3:00 to 6:00. We talked to everyone up to about a block away. No problem. Everyone we talked to said that they loved listening to them. People of all ages brought out lawn chairs and sat in our driveway. Fun.
Then the police came. A lady more than a block away complained. She was a law school student who was bothered by the noise. She didn't think that it was right to have to close her windows to study.
The band rented a place to practice. Many more people complained when they band shut things down. Our neighbors said that they weren't even loud. We want to be good neighbors. I guess the squeaky wheel wins.
PS. If this invaded homes or occurred after 10:00, I would be totally sympathetic.
Jen at May 14, 2013 7:39 PM
I have heard a lot of issues about this type of thing (noise bothering neighbors) recently. May be chance, maybe people being less tolerant, I don't know.
My neighbor has a complaint registered against him because of his dogs. I am literally 8 ft from his house and rarely hear them even with my windows open or when I am working in the yard.
There have been a number of complaints at work. I think part of that is my area is being converted to an "open working environment" and people don't like that and are focused on it. It really is bad...when quiet I can heard some one eating chips at the other end of the isle over. And it gets loud quick such that my cube neighbor is often almost shouting into his phone. After the conversion it is going to be hell.
A beach area put strict noise limits in...now they are mad because the parties aren't coming and spending money -- one store owner reported that sales were off 95% from last year.
When I lived in a townhome condo I had problems in that my neighborhood wanted dead silence. She would call and complain when I played music as background noise...less than 60 decibels (the lowest my sound meter would read).
I would be surprised if his audio system could cover your movie's dialagoue...especially with the windows and doors closed....from a block away. that would literal be rock concert level.
The Former Banker at May 14, 2013 11:50 PM
She didn't think that it was right to have to close her windows to study.
And she's correct. She shouldn't have to.
People who crank their music - no matter the time or the day - are at the top of my shit list. Always.
jimg at May 14, 2013 11:55 PM
"And she's correct. She shouldn't have to."
Just where do you get the idea that when you choose to live in the close company of others that they must live as you wish?
Radwaste at May 15, 2013 3:17 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/05/14/your_right_to_b.html#comment-3708876">comment from The Former BankerI would be surprised if his audio system could cover your movie's dialagoue...especially with the windows and doors closed....from a block away. that would literal be rock concert level.
Gregg was here. Should he testify?
If you're going to say you think I'm a liar, just say it.
We couldn't hear the dialogue. The music was extremely loud. We're all very close here. This house is two houses away and then kitty-corner across the street.
And you do not have a right to have your life leak into others' apartments and homes.
It isn't that people should "live as you wish" -- they just don't get to live so it comes into your place. There are noise laws because people are assholes.
Amy Alkon
at May 15, 2013 5:25 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/05/14/your_right_to_b.html#comment-3708901">comment from Amy AlkonI listen to Julie Andrews, Cabaret, Hedwig & the Angry Inch, and other wildly uncool music. Imagine that at rock concert volume in your living room.
Amy Alkon
at May 15, 2013 6:07 AM
Counter with Cruxshadows, The Last Dance, Ego Likeness, and Celldweller...
...but if Crid starts his Michael Bolton CD up, we're all done for.
Radwaste at May 15, 2013 7:00 AM
"I listen to Julie Andrews, Cabaret, Hedwig & the Angry Inch, and other wildly uncool music. Imagine that at rock concert volume in your living room."
I like everything you just listed so you may be wildly uncool but I'd be cool with listening to it.
Now you have my earworm demanding to hear a little Liza. Damn you, ALKON! How will I explain this to my co-workers?
causticf at May 15, 2013 9:51 AM
If you're going to say you think I'm a liar, just say it.
My thought was you were exaggerating or leaving out some important detail such as you have poor hearing, the part blocked out was a quiet passage, or something.
The house is much closer then I thought. The block I live on has 7 houses (8 plots I imagine as the one corner is really big) which Googling indicates is a common arrangement (common 7-10 houses per side per block).
While it doesn't sound this particular situation is one of them...
How much do you get to tell people they can't use their property as they want? Does my neighbor's complainer get to prevent him from having dogs because the dogs make too much noise (keep in mind that there is only 8 or 10 ft between his house and mine and I rarely notice them)? Or how about the family that wanted all the tree's with the nuts that their kid was deathly allergic to removed from the neighborhood (I think I heard about that on here)?
The Former Banker at May 15, 2013 6:36 PM
Bolton
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at May 16, 2013 1:53 AM
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