File under least surprising news of the day.

Meanwhile also in MA:
BELCHERTOWN, Mass. (MyFoxBoston.com) – Seven individuals originally from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Singapore will be summonsed to court for trespassing after a Mass. State Police trooper found them on the grounds of the Quabbin Reservoir early Tuesday morning.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22252661/2013/05/14/seven-individuals-summonsed-to-for-trespassing-at-quabbin-reservoir

Well fuck , do i need to drink bottled water this summer?

And yet I'm fairly certain an overwhelming majority of people in the US believe hitting their kid to discipline them is appropriate, and not always "as a last resort".

Really? I always assumed most people thought spanking was the nuclear bomb of parenting techniques... in the arsenal, but not to be used unless urgent.

Admonishing, then not sharing beds and then hitting lightly...he is giving step by step punishments which is how all punishments go about.

What is the alternative you suggest? Divorce at the first instance of indiscipline?

What the mosque has mentioned is no different from what feminists tell women....feminists never tell women to introspect and do mutual discussion and understanding with the men because women are never wrong. Same way the mosque is assuming that men are never wrong and telling the same thing to the men that feminists tell women. No big deal if you ask me.

That's exactly what I'm talking about: Can I hit my wife to discipline her if it's "urgent"? I suspect most people would find the idea abhorrent.

Can I hit my wife to discipline her if it's "urgent"?

Compare and contrast, your wife and a 4 year old. Which can be reasoned with and can follow an argument?

Feel free to take your time with this one.

Alternatively, you may discipline her if that's lifestyle you both have chosen. I would consider converts to Islam to be in this category.

Those who face the possibility of a bad marriage to an abusive husband or the possibility of a honor killing or being labeled an apostate will gain my sympathy.

I've had some arguments with my wife where, in my opinion, she was being unreasonable, just wasn't listening, and couldn't follow the argument.

Based on your criteria for hitting kids, couldn't I just save hitting my wife as a "last resort"?

Wives aren't kids, and you aren't supposed to control and mold a wife's behavior. Parents are, however, supposed to control and mold their kids. If you are using ANY discipline technique with your wife, you're an ass and she's an idiot for staying with you.

I spanked the tar out of my kids the first time aech ran in the road. It never happened again. I'm not trying to reason why a toddler shouldn't try to get run over and killed. YMMV.

You don't talk to your wife about things in your relationship that cause friction and you wish would change? Isn't that "molding behavior"? If she doesn't agree with your suggestion, why can't you just hit her to change her behavior like you hit your children to change theirs?

(Also, I love when people justify beating their kids because they, as parents, failed to pay attention. I guess you don't really need to go through the difficulty of parenting if you can just beat your kids whenever you personally fail.)

What the mosque has mentioned is no different from what feminists tell women ... feminists never tell women to introspect and do mutual discussion and understanding with the men because women are never wrong. Same way the mosque is assuming that men are never wrong and telling the same thing to the men that feminists tell women. No big deal if you ask me. -- Redrajesh at May 15, 2013 11:17 AM

If either or both partners are acting as adults when they enter a marriage, they realize it is a partnership not ruled and regulated beyond the superficial outside forces of the religious, political or other dogmas. An example of that is James Carville (D) and his wife Mary Matalin (R).

You are saying that the Islamic dogma of beating your wife is just as acceptable as a feminist woman saying that all men are rapists while going home to her husband that disagrees with her but doesn't fuck her without express permission.

There is a philosophy I have finally learned. There is only one thing I can make another person do; that is to make them die. That is generally only by murder.

So anything beyond talking to another person to get them to change is the use of inappropriate force; outside of the justice system or war. That is being a civilized human.

There is an additional factor: There is acting outside of societal norms and being illegal. In Muslim countries with Sharia law, being a female and walking around without a hijab or niqāb may be illegal.

In the U.S. that a female and walking around without a hijab or niqāb is not illegal. So while your subculture may abhor it, this is perfectly legal. So in the U.S. if you support beating on anyone, you are guilty of assault.

When you can get these concepts through your head, we can have a discussion. Until then I consider you a neanderthal.

"outside of the justice system or war" - does the USA have a proper justice system or a feminazi legal system? How many feminists have actually used it to screw the innocent american male with the active support of the system?

"So in the U.S. if you support beating on anyone, you are guilty of assault" - how many feminists are guilty of assault and what is being done about them?And if the answer is nothing, then why on earth should anything be done about the islamic version of assault which is the same as feminist assault with just the genders reversed.