Just got this in an email. Cridmo, if you read this, and then STILL don't believe that Islam is a danger to ALL who are NOT muslim (notice I deliberately did NOT capitalize that word, because I refuse to), then there is no hope for you. To wit:

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS/CANADIANS

This is certainly 'food-for-thought'.
This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone.
Maybe this is why our American/Canadian Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American or Canadian?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. ... Because his allegiance is to Allah.

Religiously - no.. . .. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran, 2:256) (Koran)

Scripturally - no. .. .. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no .. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no... Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no... Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no... Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans/Canadians. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our countries and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

THE Armed Forces WANT THIS EMAIL TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. & CANADA.
Please don't delete this until you send it on.

“The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission.”

― John F. Kennedy

In what way is the US Constitution based on the bible?

There are several things going on... there's Islam itself with its call for jihad, and then there are various national/social/political movements by Arabs and other people who happen to be Muslim. There's a lot of overlap, too. So there are people who are really in it for nationalistic reasons who get caught up in Islam because of mutual interests, and vice versa.

I'm not quite sure what your email is supposed to do, Flynne... are we supposed to spy on our Muslim neighbors? Shun them? Intern them? What are you looking for, action-wise?

Nicole, I just want people to be AWARE. There may be a LOT of muslims who say that they are "moderate" or "non-practicing" or whatever, but the bottom line is, the Koran teaches that ALL muslims must NOT befriend non-muslims - jews, christians, whatever. Those who do befriend those who are not muslim are not adhering to the Koran's teachings, which makes them apostates, which means their own people are instructed to kill them. It's so damn convoluted. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

OK... and what should we do with this awareness, exactly?

Does anyone remember why the Shores of Tripoli are included in the Marine Hymn?

Because of the Barbary Wars, I'm guessing.

Nicole, when the United States Navy was commissioned in 1785(?) or thereabouts, it was largely because of the Barbary pirates and our government not wanting to pay a tribute to the muslim pirates and the muslim sultanates that commanded them, to leave our merchant ships alone. Muslim barbarism against ALL others is nothing new, but it needs to be STOPPED. THAT'S what people need to be aware of. It's NOT new, it's been going on for hundreds of years, and it's time to expose Islam for what it really is, and to STOP the slaughter.

The Barbary pirates operated for long time with impunity. When a newly-built US navy went over there and kicked their asses, the piracy (of American shipping, anyway) stopped and never became a serious issue again. We learn this on the playground, that the only way to stop a weak-minded bully is to bloody their nose. Why do we continue to believe that anything else will suffice just because we're "all grow-ed up"?

Flynne, again, how?

Do we kick all Muslims out of the US and Europe? Do we stop letting them in? Do we let them stay but wiretap their phones? Do we not let them build mosques?

What's the plan? Sitting around and being "aware" isn't a plan.

HOW do you propose to "stop the slaughter"?

By the way, this conflict predates Islam and Christianity. Rome's biggest rival was North Africa.

Nicole, I have NO idea. I do think we should stop letting them build mosques; they have enough. I do think we should stop pandering to them, under the guise of "tolerance". They're not tolerant of us, we should we be tolerant of them? I don't think they should be allowed to impose their Sharia law on anyone if they live in a country that already HAS laws, and especially if those laws do NOT allow "honor killings" and beatings of women and children. I don't know how to bring a barbaric, centuries-old culture into the present, but I DO know that what they do to their women and children is outlawed in this country, under our laws, and should be outlawed EVERYWHERE, no matter WHAT your "religion" is. And I do know as long as they're allowed to flourish, unchecked and unaccountable, our future is in jeopardy.

WHY should we, not we should we. Jeeze.

I have no answers. I wish I did. Tolerance ain't working. See the UK lately.

And yeah, what Amy said. Honesty would be a great start, because they're still lying about their "religion of peace" which is anything but.

Ooooooo, Amy.... our first simul-post!

o.O

How to fix it?

1. Stop letting them in. Far to many children of those fleeing oppression seem willing to oppress the citizens of the country that took their parents in. And far too many parents preform FGM and honor killing on their daughters.

2. When muslims mention their religion in regards to their crimes charge them with TREASON, exectute them, stuff their corpse in a pig carcass and return the body, pig and all to the nearest family member willing to claim it.

By the way, this conflict predates Islam and Christianity. Rome's biggest rival was North Africa.

Censeo Carthaginem esse delendam is one answer. Wars come to an actual end when one side is utterly defeated and has no desire to restart the conflict.

When your religion not only tells you that it is right and just to wage war on the population of Dar al-Harb but that it is your sacred duty to do so, how does one who lives in the "House of War" compromise with such people?

They're not tolerant of us, we should we be tolerant of them? I don't think they should be allowed to impose their Sharia law on anyone if they live in a country that already HAS laws, and especially if those laws do NOT allow "honor killings" and beatings of women and children.

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Agreed... are there any Western countries that allow Muslims to wife-beat or honor kill?

The most I've heard is allowing them to set up their own divorce courts and marry on their own terms, which I understand other religions are allowed to do, too.

The treason angle is an interesting one. I wouldn't go so far as the pig carcass, as it would incite massive protests and not just by Muslims, but certainly if someone cites their religion as trumping the law of the land I could see an argument... you'd have to apply it across the board, though.

For some reason limiting Muslim immigration, or for that matter limiting immigration of any particular cultural group seems to be totally taboo. Which seems strange to me. I think it is valid to question how allowing lots of people from one cultural group in will change the current society.

While treason may or may not also be an act of war, when it is not it is still on the same level. And an act of war deserves a response in kind, even if only on a corpse, to disuade further actions by others in the same vein .

I can never find aconcrete scriptural reference but it seems muslims think contact with pork will bar them from heaven, and I think those convicted of treason should be desecrated as an example to others

Agreed... are there any Western countries that allow Muslims to wife-beat or honor kill?

Not that I'm aware of, but from what I've read, it has happened in other countries (one instance in Canada made the news, and I believe the father is still free). As far as I'm concerned, one's "religion" should NOT be used as an excuse to kill, maim or otherwise beat ANYone, especially one's family members. It's unconscionable (sp?) in my estimation.

Maybe I'm just an old fart, but this explanation says it all:

http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/

I don't want Sharia law anywhere NEAR my kids or their kids or their kids...

I say yes-stop allowing muslims to immigrate to the US. My older bro's permanent partner/nonlegal wife/whatever is from Iran and Muslim. They emmigrated when the Shah fell. She's a nonpracticing muslim-eats pork etc as does her adult daughter. She'd legally convert, and truthfully convert, if required. But as much as I truly, truly like the woman-if people like her not being able to live here is the price we pay.....ok. The world won't end. Iran wouldn't let ME in as a christian. The world doesn't have to be heterogenous-really!

Maybe if gay marriage becomes the accepted law of the land, THEY will stop this accepting-islam-nonsense. Since, you know, it's truly their ass and life otherwise.

"For some reason limiting Muslim immigration, or for that matter limiting immigration of any particular cultural group seems to be totally taboo" - NicoleK

Is it still such a taboo in Switzerland? No political party on this side of the Atlantic has been as brazen as the Swiss People's Party with their black sheep poster:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6980766.stm

"The most I've heard is allowing them to set up their own divorce courts and marry on their own terms..."

Sharia covers all aspects of civil & criminal law, so there's concern over the creep of Islamic law into Western legal systems. An immediate issue is Western judges ruling that Sharia is a defense for crimes, crimes against women in particular. Here's a case in New Jersey where a family court judge refused a desperate woman's plea to take out a restraining order against the husband who had repeatedly raped her, on the grounds that under Sharia what the husband did was perfectly ordinary & legal:

http://voices.yahoo.com/new-jersey-family-judge-accepts-sharia-defense-to-6559296.html

This was reversed by an appellate court, but it's rather horrifying that any Western judge could make such a decision in the first place.

In Australia, a convicted rapist was allowed to appeal his sentence because a judge ruled that, as an Afghan refugee, he "had an unclear concept of what constitutes consent in sexual relationships in Australia":

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/australian-judge-finds-muslim-cultural-differences-valid-excuse-for-rape/

In the UK, a man convicted of raping a 13-year old girl was spared jail because a judge decided that his Muslim upbringing made him unaware that was a crime in Britain:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Rashid-Paedophile-claimed-Muslim-upbringing-meant-didnt-know-illegal-sex-girl-13.html

And so on. Crackpot judges, yes, but if there wasn't a significant & vocal Muslim presence in Western countries, this wouldn't be happening.

Thank you, Martin.