Great. Then people would lie endlessly about whether they had dogs, and blame the law while violating it, while doing precisely nothing to change it; there would ensue the establishment of an ego-fueled rationale that violators were somehow noble for disregarding the law.

Police would not be your friend and ally, because you would always be hiding your addiction to canine company. They would recognize that, and a wall between the public and police would prevent real cooperation. Can you call cops to help you? No, you have a dog in the house.

It isn't that people wish to drug themselves because they lack something. It's that they lie about it, and to everyone.

In a manner of speaking, there is a war on dogs. Certain cities within the U.S. have BSL (Breed Specific Legislation). Almost all of Missouri, for instance, outlaws pit bulls.

I've never agreed with the pitbull ban Patrick, we have one here too.

While we're at it, we should ban:

German Shepard's
Huskies
Dobermans
Bulldogs
Bull Mastiffs
Tibetan Mastiffs
Rottweilers
Shi-Tzu's
Yorkies
Dachshunds

All are far more likely to bite baby than a properly trained pitbull.

And while we're at it, let's ban:

Cars
Planes
Trains
Buses
Motorcycles
Shark-diving
Skydiving
Whale watching
Farm Animals
Lighting Strikes

All are far more likely to kill you than your average pit-bull.

The War on Drugs is a War on Dogs; read through Radley Balko's tweets (hashtag #puppycide) for many examples of dogs shot by cops while they were executing various drug-related attacks on citizens' homes.

I have a Boxer and I've had at least one, if not two Boxers continually for the last 24 years. It is amazing to me how many people think they are Pit Bulls. One morning shortly after getting my second Boxer, a brindle female who was a runner, she got out of the house. I was walking my daughter to the elementary school across the street, the dog made a bee-line for all the kids. I had to stop by the office and I heard the school secretary on the radio with the janitor telling him there was a Pit Bull loose on campus. I started laughing, and told her it was a Boxer and she was mine and I was on my way to get her. When I walked outside to get my dog, she was on her back while a group of kids rubbed her belly. She always loved kids, particulary babies.

Dog-easies, I seem to remember hearing about them existing in Tokyo or someplace.
Basically in a huge city where most apartments don't have space for pets or have rules against pets they have popped up. A business where you rent being in the pet area for however long you want to play. Then you don't have to walk them, feed them, clean up after.

Any, this falls into the category of "don't give them any ideas". I wonder how much trouble it will be to get a permit to carry a concealed dog.

Or they could do what they do in the U.K. All pit bulls must be neutered, insured, registered, muzzled and kept on a leash when in public, and must be microchipped.

(Deliberately avoiding committing myself to a position, so lujlp can foam, gnash and scream his throat raw that since I didn't specifically denounce this practice, I must agree with it. Numbnuts got the idea that withholding comment on something means you agree with it.)

While we're at it, we should ban:

long list of breeds wtf doesn't like

All are far more likely to bite baby than a properly trained pitbull.

See, the key word in there is properly trained. Any dog that is properly trained will behave the way it was trained. That includes pitbulls, and also all of the breeds you listed. For whatever reason people choose to train their pittbulls to be violent, it should always be blamed on the owner, not the dog itself.

Relating back to the war on drugs, it is the people who do drugs and make stupid decisions who should be blamed, not the drugs themselves. A lot of drugs (including legal ones) are harmful when taken improperly. People who make stupid decisions likely would make stupid decisions even if they couldn't get access to drugs, which lets face it, we all know that they can, regardless of legality.

I'm going to add a comment about dog behavior.

It is not ALWAYS tied to how it is trained. There are also a number of morons and/or uneducated people out there - or small children who haven't been taught properly. For instance, a seriously injured gentle family pet is still likely to bit its owner if s/he approaches suddenly. After a dog-car accident, it is quite common for the owner to end up on the wrong end of Pookie's teeth.

Obviously, this isn't an all-the-time thing. BUT, I thought I should point out that even highly trained family pets can cause injury.

For a more humorous example, my husband had a cat that didn't really like being around people much. At one point years ago, he had a roommate who would literally poke the cat in the head. The cat would swat at his hand and then run away. The guy thought this was funny and my husband eventually found out & told him to stop because the cat clearly didn't like it. Knowing this guy, my husband also stopped trimming the cat's nails. A couple weeks later, this roommate showed up irate with scratches all over his hand complaining about the "mean cat." My husband's response was, "Did you poke her?" He said, "yeah." My husband replied something to the effect of: "if it hurts, don't keep doing it."

I wonder how much trouble it will be to get a permit to carry a concealed dog.

Legend says that Chinese royalty used to carry Pekingese dogs in their sleeves as a final line of defense. If an attacker got past everything else you could throw the dog at them.

It was either a Pekinese or a Pomeranian that killed a 6 month old some years ago. Anything with a mouth can bite, as we tell our kids.

Per capita, pitts don't do the most biting. They do the most fatalities, though. Just 2 minutes ago I saw some twit on a local swap n sell group trying to rehome her 2 pitts. Said the male had a bite history and would need retraining. Yeah, because it's very likely there's a dog whisperer living here who could make him back into a decent dog.

I love shepherds and rotts and all big dogs. I am a big dog girl. I would not blink to own one around my kids, so long as we had raised and trained it. I would never own a pitt. 1) I wouldn't feel comfortable as a capable owner of one and 2) I wouldn't want to make the neighbors or kids around uncomfortable.

Although I like big dogs, I truly, truly love cats. My dream is to win the lottery and open a big cat sanctuary. We're still allowed to do that here in Texas. Probably not long till some group pays a bunch of unemployed young adults to come shut down our capital and chant "hail PETA" while trying to force our legislature to pass laws against owning animals.

To start anyone that supports BSL is a useless dick stain. Fuck you, your mother and everyone of you cock chuggers that support it. Ok now that that's out of the way.

"I wonder how much trouble it will be to get a permit to carry a concealed dog."

Mass has a $75 fine for an unregistered dog. Yes I had to go to the city office during work hours and pay to register each of my dogs. Yes like I would a firearm. I do NOT need to put a tag on the gun as I do on the dog, and gun registration is free. Also if seized illegally and they accidentally destroy the gun I can have it replaced or reimbursed for fair market value. Due to badly written anti vicious dog laws my dogs can be seized and if accidentally killed while in custody all I get is "gee wiz sorry". Obviously a dog is impossible to replace.

I'm working on deweaponizing a St. Bernard. Pits don't get any where near that big, are no where near as strong and are rarely recklessly approached with a shout of "Beethoven" by badly behaved children. She won't bite but at 100 pounds she doesn't have to, she's more than capable of accidentally breaking bones even on smaller adults. I also have two great Pyrenees Mountain dogs. All of my dogs are in the wrong hands far more dangerous than any but the largest most weaponized sub breed of pit bull. All 3 have double the bite strength and all are at or over 100 lbs. Now add to this that the Pyrs look like enormous white teddy bears which kids just want to hug. I personally think pits are cute especially the singing but to a child giant white fluffies are king.

As to the original topic: Two groups saw the same thing 1920 to 1933 one learned one didn't. Prohibition was legally an abject failure AND illegally a great advancement opportunity. Screw nobility this is capitalism at its purest form.

I don't own a dog, but I'd gladly spend $30 a year to join the National Dog Association to lobby for your rights in Washington.

Dogs can be beneficial, but they can also sometimes bite the mailman or the baby. Shouldn't we ask the government to ban them?

No ban, but when someone's precious pit bull mauls another person, the owner should be held accountable.

Michael Vick's Dogs: Pit Bulls Make Slow And Painful Recovery (Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET)

Dogs can't be retrained, but drugs can? ;-)

"No ban, but when someone's precious pit bull mauls another person, the owner should be held accountable."

So when my saint rips your leg off cool but if its a pit bull the owner needs to be held responsible? All owners of all dogs should be held responsible.

Jim P.: Well given the many off label uses for pharmaceuticals apparently they can.

"long list of breeds wtf doesn't like"

If you read my post shit for brains, I am not in favour of breed specific legislation.

You just regurgitated my original post.

Feel special?

I've seen enough pit bulls at dog parks that I would gladly own one. The combination of strength and agility is amazing. I had occasion to grab one that had gotten away from its master in an open area. It's response included no claws, teeth or vocalizing but it squirmed to get away from me and its power was... wait for it... amazing. But I bear-hugged it and carried back to its master and it was docile.

I realize one incident proves nothing but my sense was that the dog was so aware of his strength that he had no reason to feel threatened by me. I don't think all dogs would act the same.

Its not it's.

Well Pat as its the FIRST and opposed to the FORTYTH time you posted that info, and you've made it clear that you are being neutral on it as opposed to posting the info without such a disclaimer in the midst of a debate on how everyone already KNOWS the info and has known if for YEARS and DISAGREES with it I dont see why you should have any problem