I recommend the technique Rush Limbaugh uses. When he's said something too provocative, and starts getting a flood of hate calls, he just waits until a really stupid opponent calls (there's bound to be one in every large crowd). Then he puts that caller on the air and just lets him go on speaking until he hangs himself.

The trick is to resist all temptation to open your own mouth.

You know I feel like a monster for admitting this:

I loved his 3 series

> I loved his 3 series

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Wuzzat?

Hooz "3 series"?

Interesting that Amy (Jewish[?]) has more faith in the the inherent retributions of American free speech (also known as "enough rope") than does the attorney (Italian?) who so graciously and competently stood to defend her when the zombie molester "Thedala" made legal threats.

Rodgers Beamer, it was a 3 series.

I felt like a certified monster everytime I saw it and thought...wow what a nice ride, should I get one? No too many around here.

I though you were in OC... Beemer Central.

Yeah. .. I meant I'm not going to get one because we have too many here. But I couldn't stop ogling it (and that never happens with me and beamers)

(But I kinda sorta want a used M3)

I kind of wish I had gotten a Z3 while they were in production. The Z4 was not to my taste.

Back to the topic: It is by watching to see who is saying horrible things that we find out who the horrible people are. One thing that I've learned over the years (and I wish I had learned it a lot sooner) is that evil people will usually call themselve out if we listen closely enough. But if their speech is suppressed, we will have no way of knowing -- until they attack us.

While I agree that the speech should be protected I feel you are in error about the "But maybe, just maybe, somebody would get through to them, maybe just a little." Either it's a troll which while fun for all has little benefit. The other are angry nut bags that can't help blame other people (usually women) for their inability to score. That inability is usually liked to: poor appearance, shit attitude, telling bad jokes (mea culpe), blind as a fucking bat about the subtle signals (guilty beyond measure), too cowardly to take a chance...

In the case of the Santa Barbra suck moneys it appear to be a shit attitude. Apparently caused by an opinion of him self that even Narcissus would be envious of. His view is that everything was basically beneath him and that he by virtue of being born he was entailed to everything. People like that are generally not fun to be around. Plus if you want the popular hot _____ of your choice you kinda got to be the same class.

Where he was is very much a car culture area. A 3 series BMW would be middle of the road at best. Heck even his chosen accoutrements were average. SO he was VERY average with a high opinion of himself. Someone like that (assuming there is a hell and not simply oblivion) would be ecstatic to know that the whole country spent days focused on him. Unfortunately this will inspire the next marginalized narcissistic nut bag to claim his days of fame. That I feel is exactly what Randazza is justifiably concerned with.

Why Cousin Dave? I'm curious. Just the look of the z3 appeals more to you?

vlad said:

Plus if you want the popular hot _____ of your choice you kinda got to be the same class.

Yes and no. If you are not of their class, you have to be hyper-aware of what it takes to look like you are of their class. It takes a lot of the skills mentioned in vlad's first paragraph, plus a willingness to change - change your job, your group of friends, your church, your social memberships, get your teeth fixed, wear your hair a certain way...

I had a co-worker once, who asked me to help him shop for new clothing. (I only realized why, years afterwards.) He was a really nice guy, clean-cut, nice-looking, bright, hard worker - all the good stuff that's important. But he came from no money, and was just starting out with a newly minted college degree. And he was determined to marry up. He figured out what he needed to do, got the changes in place, researched where the right girls lived, and made the move. I lost track of him shortly after. I hope he got what he wanted, and it was worth it.

(Before you form an opinion, try switching the genders in this story, and see if you feel differently....)

"Where he was is very much a car culture area. A 3 series BMW would be middle of the road at best"

Well yes it's common for the Eurasian and white kids to drive 40,000 cars as starter cars in my area.

I never understood the parents reasoning.

I had a co-worker once, who asked me to help him shop for new clothing. (I only realized why, years afterwards.) He was a really nice guy, clean-cut, nice-looking, bright, hard worker - all the good stuff that's important. But he came from no money, and was just starting out with a newly minted college degree. And he was determined to marry up. He figured out what he needed to do, got the changes in place, researched where the right girls lived, and made the move. I lost track of him shortly after. I hope he got what he wanted, and it was worth it.

(Before you form an opinion, try switching the genders in this story, and see if you feel differently....)

Posted by: flbeachmom at May 30, 2014 7:51 AM

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That's a good story and a good thought exercise, thank you.

I believe the car is a Bimmer and the motorcycle is a Beemer/Beamer.

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I kind of wish I had gotten a Z3 while they were in production. The Z4 was not to my taste. ~ Cousin Dave

I used to hate the look of the Z4, but it's grown on me and the Z3 has diminished in beauty in my estimation. The Z3's lousy handling didn't help.

The Z8 on the other hand, still holds up.

So does the 507.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_507

My point, though, was that sane people make rational decisions (sometimes radical, but still rational), to get things they want. And then do the required work.

It was a difficult but not an impossible goal. The killer even seemed to have made it partly down the path to getting there - the car, scoping his locations. But that's the easy part, and it isn't enough to be successful in getting what he was after.

"believe the car is a Bimmer and the motorcycle is a Beemer/Beamer"

I knew someone was going to bring it up!

It's like with the pronounciation of Porsche.

In the part of his "manifesto" played on the radio on last night's commute home, he said he wanted to kill the pretty girls because the were the ones who had he asked them out would have said no and thrown themselves at some other, better looking or richer guy.

Had he asked them out.

So, he never made an actual attempt to ask them out. He wanted the girls to throw themselves at his feet they way he imagined they were throwing themselves at other guys.

He wanted someone to hand him a better life.

I knew someone was going to bring it up!

It's like with the pronounciation of Porsche.

I actually asked a German exchange student back in college to answer the question plaguing all of America, "Por-sha" or "Porsh."

He said it was "Por-sha" because the final "e" in German is pronounced as in Deutsche "Doit-sha" Bank.

So, I've stuck with "Por-sha" ever since.

He never asked a girl out because he was autistic and many people that knew him commented that pretty much mute in social situations.

I understand why many guys whose brains can't physically understand socializing have looked up to him. ( I'm not saying it's right).

"Why Cousin Dave? I'm curious. Just the look of the z3 appeals more to you?"

Yeah, in my eyes it's kind of like what happened to the Camaro in 1971 or the Mustang in 1969... they took a car that was designed to do a particular thing (and did it well), and tried to add a bunch of stuff to it, and it got too big and fancy for its own good. I'm out of the market for a while anyway, having recently acquired (ahem) a Boxster S.

My husband drove a Z4M before we had a kid, then he switched to a 5-series. I had an X3. I loved that car. I know a lot of people think BMWs are douchey, but they're so fun to drive. Seriously. Loved that car. Also loved the Acura TL-S that we had for several years.

Anyway, these nutjobs need to be heard, because we need to know they're out there. I indulge in some talk radio on my commute home, and one Toothless Cleetus called in the other day to say that, yeah, maybe it really was women's fault that this guy was a nut. The caller had been "bullied by beautiful women who wouldn't give him the time of day his entire life." When the host asked what constituted "bullying," the dude says that beautiful women IGNORE him.

Yeah, they're out there.

...it's kind of like what happened to the Camaro in 1971 or the Mustang in 1969....

The Mustang has too many variants, from half-assed economy car to pretty good pony car (muscle car lite). It still needs handling upgrades to bring it close to a decent sports car.

Because of the low-end variants, as an aspiration marque, it will always have an asterisk.

GM did right (never thought I'd type that) in leaving the Corvette with only one or two variants, all higher-end. Not a Corvette fan, just sayin'.

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...having recently acquired (ahem) a Boxster S.

Nice.

I'm tossing around the idea of replacing (or augmenting) the 2001 540i with something a bit more whimsical, possibly a Z4 or a Boxster ... or a Jeep Wrangler.

Despite being a pretty large car, the 540i is fun to drive, but I miss having a convertible.

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He never asked a girl out because he was autistic....

That's gonna send the autism spectrum advocates into overdrive, furiously reminding the public that autistic ≠ psychotic.

It does explain some of his communication issues, but not the rage and killing.

it's funny you say that Conan.

I had a Mustang GT (newer ones) and modified the shit out of it. I have never been approached so much in my life, people loved that car. I would be having dinner with friends and I would listen to (usually men) talk about it.

My best friend said it was a cruel joke because women expected some hot guy to be the owner of it and then they would see me.

It was an amazing stang, and I know they were making the 10 best list constantly.

Right now I'm driving a hybrid. It was like I told my friends husbands Im now sucking hitlers cock for fun or something.

The GT is one of the good ones, if not the good one.

And I'll bet when you tell folks you owned a Mustang, you include "GT" in the telling - as you did here.

You want to make sure people don't think of the 4-cylinder econo-box version when you say "Mustang."

Hence, the asterisk.

You better believe it. It's why I modified the shit out of it too.

I didn't want people thinking I drove a regular Mustang.

I do my best to never use the mass killer's name. They need to be dumped on the ash pile of history and not celebrated in any way.

Amy's choices are her own beezwax, and as the public-realm hostess of this little coffee klatch, I'm not saying she's wrong.

But one of the best ways to appreciate the world for what it really is comes from calling things by their names. This works for everything: Sex, money, family, policy... It's when people start marking patches of truth as forbidden land on the conversational map that we get into trouble.

If you're the sort of person who upon hearing a name repeated will assume that the person is heroic or admirable —even if the person is an abject murderer— then I don't want to talk to you anyway.

Meantime, I won't constrain my topics or exchanges just because our planet also welcomes fools and children.