What, okay to censor regular people but not famous artists?

Yes, in the minds of liberals whether or not something is [bad / cruel / evil / politically-incorrect / racist / sexist / uncouth / untoward / wrong] has nothing to do with objective metrics, or the stated intent of the actor/artist/creator, but rather their status/political affiliation.

Satire is very rarely recognized as such by its targets.

I'd be more offended that my town had a Banksy.

> I'd be more offended that my
> town had a Banksy.

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Is a "boathouse" a publicly- or privately- owned piece of wall?

If it's public, the guy had no business painting on it, especially if there were political meaning in the paint.

Whereas-

If it's private, the guy had no business painting on it, especially if there were political meaning in the paint.

(If someone painted something on my wall that I disagreed with, I'd paint over it immediately and ask the cops to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law... If I agreed with the graffiti, I'd wait a couple hours before painting over it, then ask the cops to find the guy and slap 'im around a little, then to relax and get some donuts before the end of their shift.)

Artists aren't permitted to be assholes.

> The mural, on a boathouse wall,
> was said to be worth £400,000.

I never follow links. Does that include the value of the defaced property underneath?

Artists aren't permitted to be assholes. ~ Posted by: Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at October 3, 2014 11:40 AM

I thought that was a requirement to be called an artist these days.

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At least no one's rights were cencored.

http://m.nationalreview.com/article/389322/go-back-class-ian-tuttle

I never follow links.

You certainly put enough of them up.

The mural, on a boathouse wall, was said to be worth £400,000.

How does one realize that value? Does one sell the wall?

Does the £400,000 include the cost of removing the painting from my wall ... and replacing the wall?

"The mural, on a boathouse wall, was said to be worth £400,000."

Pulled out of someone's ass.

"The mural, on a boathouse wall, was said to be worth £400,000."

If the reporter got someone to say it, the story is 100% accurate.

"Artists aren't permitted to be assholes."

To be clear, I consider you an artist, thus needless of the attitude you so often display. Determining what art you exhibit I leave as an exercise for the reader.

> You certainly put enough of them up.

[A.] Mine are better.

[B.] If I said something wrong about one of Amy's topics for not having followed a link, everyone would have a lot of fun teasing me about it, right?

You should be grateful for the sporting good fun.




> I thought that was a requirement to
> be called an artist these days.

Where's Jason? Last week he & I were bickering about music. It seemed he was giving an excessive amount of attention to what musicians looked like, given that he was paying them to stimulate his ears. The social connection he wanted from them didn't seem relevant to the shared interest.

Similarly for artists: It's easier for them to chatter about extent sources of stimulation, social injustices or whatnot, that to actual create a physical object of great beauty or meaning.

Craftsmanship is difficult. It's hard on the hands, and it takes a lot time, so your wife gets pissed off when you're ignoring the kids.

> I consider you an artist

I knew that.

Conan the Grammarian:
The mural, on a boathouse wall, was said to be worth £400,000... How does one realize that value? Does one sell the wall?

Banksies really are worth money. I don't know if this one is worth $600,000, but it may well have been worth more than the building it was painted on.

There are cases where the owner of the property sawed one off a wall and sold it. There is one where the property owner installed a roll-down metal shutter and shows it by appointment.

They also draw tourists.

Cridmeister, you're better than Banksy, imo.

I wasn't giving excessive attention to looks at all. It was just a small opinion. And I think you were the first to make notice of her physical features. No matter.

But that's what's sad about Banksy. From what I heard, she's a ravishing English rose, but feels that her art wouldn't be appreciated for what it is, and that the art world would shun her. (I don't know if that's true, I just made that up. But maybe? I doubt it.)

Jason, have you seen a Banksy in person?

Location, location, location.

What's clever or moving or provacative in print is STUNNING to come across in person. Not in a museum - right where he put it.

Not to detract from the power of Crid's work.

> And I think you were the first
> to make notice of her physical
> features.

Across my childhood they were offered too often as evidence of musical gifts. LooLue: Hair. Leland: Beard. Dolly: Tits. Porter: Spangles. Why must it always be about other things?

How are you guys certain you've seen a "Banksy"? Does he maintain a registry somewhere? What if he's actually a Reagan Republican?... Or just the guy who did the one you saw? That would hurt, right?

"What, okay to censor regular people but not famous artists?"

It's clearly not censorship. It's their wall. They didn't ask for the painting. They obviously would have rethought it had they known it was a Banksy for the tourist appeal or the outright sale of the wall. Regular people's unsolicited art doesn't have tourist appeal or outright value.

I'd be pretty pissed off if a regular person decided to paint something on my house. Banksy is more than welcome to do so.

> I don't know if that's true, I
> just made that up.

NEVER TAKE IT BACK. Who's gonna call your bluff? Give it a couple weeks, wait for a publisher to ask you to write the unauthorized whatever.

You have GOT to learn to let these things jell.


IJS, there's something DollyPartonnoid about seeing a Banksy "in person."

Michelle, I haven't, so I don't know what I'm talkin' about. Sounds like they're impressive, to hear you tell it. I think the other one I remember seeing on the Internet was of a group of spys huddled around a phone booth making like they're listening in on the convo.

Is Banksy a guy? Who is Banksy?

Let me put it another way.

We're all over the age of 13.

Will an adult seriously contend that "satirizing racism" is anything more than cowardly self-indulgence?

The thing about racists is this: Changing their beliefs is a difficult, risky, and often-painful thing to do. It's a sincere endeavor requiring patient, interpersonal language, not a backhanded grunt from isolation. It has costs... It will take up your time and energy and cost you friendships throughout your circle, and just when you think you've succeeded, you might find it was all for naught.

"Satirizing" racism is what you do when you're a sixth-grader wasting a Saturday afternoon in your room, dreaming of ways to convince people you've had a much more adventurous weekend than you're actually going to have... To pretend that you've met people you've never met, and asked thoughtful questions about their lives which you've never actually made time for.

Jason, Banksy's a guy. The persona, if not also the person.

I've seen his work in person once, on the wall between Israel and Palestine. It scratched the itch to "see" what was in the other side (don't think I'm getting through that checkpoint any time soon), but not in a life-like manner - evocatively.

His works create an experience that get the point across (though not to everyone).

Banksy appears throughout the film "Exit through the gift shop."

As for the Dolly Partin comparison, I've never met her so I wouldn't know. But damn what a voice.

> His works create an experience
> that get the point across (though
> not to everyone).

Justin Bieber does that, too. So does Casper, the Friendly Ghost.

There may be a common audience for all three.

More later, after work and maybe sleep. I got thoughts.