Women With Dyed Pits And That Magical Feminist World Where No One Will Ever Judge You
There's a WaPo article by Peter Holley about the ridiculous mini-trend of women going bushy in their armpits and then having the hair dyed. He's quoting Roxie Hunt, the Seattle hairdresser said to have started the trend:
The movement, Hunt said, is as much about embracing personal freedom as it is about aesthetic experimentation."It's a celebration of our right to make conscious choices about our bodies," Hunt said. "I would hope that in the next few years we can normalize the concept and female body hair and change the dialogue about what this country considers naturally beautiful."
In her "Free Your Pits Manifesto," which you can read here, Hunt writes:
Whether you shave or not, women should be allowed to make decisions about their bodies without judgement from others. And, women making these decisions about their bodies should not be something exploited by the media. What we need is encouragement, not judgment. We greatly appreciate this opportunity to discuss how important it is to be true to yourself and to love your body, but we also recognize that women making conscious decisions about themselves should not in any way be shocking. We aim to normalize the concept of body hair on women and help others embrace their own if they so choose.
Regarding Hunt's childish view, typical of feminism and feminists, that nobody should "judge" you, we all judge people unless we're brain dead.
The world does not exist to encourage you.
PS Women -- and men -- have been shaving and epilating since about 7,000 BC. As I wrote in my column "When Harry Met Hairy":
It's great when your girlfriend reminds you of somebody exotic out of the movies -- when that somebody is Mila Kunis or Eva Mendes, not Chewbacca.
From that column, the history of hair removal -- male and female:
Archeological evidence (including hair-scraping stones and an impressive set of Bronze Age tweezers) suggests that women -- and often men -- have been shaving, depilating, and yanking out body hair since at least 7,000 B.C. In the early 1500s, Michelangelo sculpted David (who would have been a hairy Middle Eastern dude, looking more Borat than baby's bottom), making him look like he was too busy spending three weeks at the waxer to slay Goliath. And these days, male bodybuilders also remove their body hair, lest their admirers have to peer through the hair sweater to find the pecs and abs.
There was a pic I saw elsewhere, where a woman had hot pink hair, with matching pits. That looks pretty cool.
Blues and greens, like in the linked article? It looks like things have started to mold. Maybe not the impression the women wanted to make...
As long as a woman is not Chewbacca, i.e., naturally has only a wisp of hair, I actually prefer unshaven. Trim a bit to keep it short, and it looks (and smells) nice.
Of course, I am also weird in other ways: I dislike high heels and find nylon stockings gross. Makeup is also unpleasant: who wants to kiss a chemical factory?
a_random_guy at December 14, 2014 11:38 PM
I judge women and men (people) that I see in public all the time. Tattoos, piercings, and now, dyed pits: grotesque, disgusting. A race to the bottom. Screaming insecurity, desperation. Desperate to belong, to be cool, to fit in, be popular. Poor people who spent their hard earned money only to discover that it left them no more popular than before. Sad.
Jim Simon at December 15, 2014 12:13 AM
[Women] should be allowed to make decisions about their bodies without judgement from others
Of course they want to be judged: they want you to look at them and think "wow, cool". What they don't want are negative judgements, like, "it looks like your armpits are moldy, and anyway the nose-ring makes you look like a cow".
Sorry precious, you can't have it both ways. If you don't want people to judge your appearance, you'll just have to hide. Otherwise, people will think what they think, some positive and some negative. Live with it.
a_random_guy at December 15, 2014 12:53 AM
Sounds like a woman with more cats than dates.
Jeff Guinn at December 15, 2014 1:04 AM
This trend is far better than the pink pussy wigs made from permed Indian hair women used to glue on, the Swavorsky crystals glued to their snatches with arrows pointing to their clits, or the pubic hair implants Asian women used to do.
I think the buzz cut colored pits are okay but the long dangly hairy ones are gross.
Ppen at December 15, 2014 1:40 AM
And, women making these decisions about their bodies should not be something exploited by the media.
Unless it's you, Ms. Hunt, playing the attention whore?
Hint: You don't point something out to people so they don't notice and/or judge it.
DrCos at December 15, 2014 3:55 AM
On a positive note, it is less likely to be fatal than "Hold my beer and watch this." Some people need attention, hence Jackass, the Movie, and this.
Just where does this "Don't judge me" nonsense come from anyway? Nobody has the right to tell me what to think. I might not laugh out loud, but I am laughing.
MarkD at December 15, 2014 4:37 AM
"It's a celebration of our right to make conscious choices about our bodies"
Okay, just don't judge me if I make a conscious chose not to date a women that I find unattractive.
Deal?
Jay at December 15, 2014 6:07 AM
"Archeological evidence (including hair-scraping stones and an impressive set of Bronze Age tweezers) suggests that women -- and often men -- have been shaving, depilating, and yanking out body hair since at least 7,000 B.C. In the early 1500s, Michelangelo sculpted David (who would have been a hairy Middle Eastern dude, looking more Borat than baby's bottom), "
Yes, some prehistoric groups shared Amy's personal preference for painfully removing body hair in the name of enhanced attractiveness or tradition.
The Romans oiled and scraped a lot. ( and also frequently died from nasty infections by exposing cuts and wounds to bacteria filled public bath water)
Some groups/sexes/ ethnicities took to hair shaving. Others did not.
Some ethnicities have really sparse body hair to begin with.
The Germans aren't big shavers.
Shaving in German culture is something that prostitutes do.
Shaving as about as natural as circumcision.
It is a grooming thing, and a personal preference thing, like tattoos.
Whether I shave my legs, and my armpits, or dye them purple is between me and my husband. Not really the public's business.
Demanding approval of your personal choices is another thing entirely. Anything you put out there on display, expect to be judged for.
Isab at December 15, 2014 6:27 AM
Crazy Hairy Rob Lowe would like a word...
I R A Darth Aggie at December 15, 2014 6:36 AM
:shrug:
if they get outta the gene pool, who am I to complain?
"don't judge me!?!"
ohyeah? MAKE ME. If my judgement doesn't matter to you anyway, then STFU... they's like a 4 year old.
Funny thing is - in the zeal to make sure no-one judges, in the eventual move where no-one cares if you've got tattoos up to your eyeballs, gauges in your earlobes, and a window in your cheek.
Eventually all that will matter is can you do the job? nobody gives a tinker's dam elsewise about you.
And then special little snowflake who has always gotten a trophy for participation, will have to put up - or shut up.
And all their ancestors will, in one voice, scream "VENGEANCE IS MINE!"
or am I being all curmudgeonly on the poor dears?
SwissArmyD at December 15, 2014 7:16 AM
Like most things, whether or or not the aesthetic works depends on the person. I have a gorgeous young friend who lets it all hang out in the armpits and it just works for her. Makes her look like a strong, natural, powerful, sexy woman. Men love it.
Meanwhile, I go two or three days without shaving/plucking/waxing and I look like a fucking chimpanzee.
Beth Cartwright at December 15, 2014 7:56 AM
Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw:
"Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes it is because you made a bad decision."
The Former Banker at December 15, 2014 8:17 AM
The women I know who are doing this are smart enough to KNOW people are judging them.
I live in Austin, where a lot of women are growing it out and coloring it. One of my friends just posted an artsy photo shoot of herself on Facebook after not shaving or plucking for a full year. And she told me that she KNOWS "probably 99.9 percent of men won't want to date" her. But since she's looking for that 0.1 percent who dig her look anyway, she's increasing her chances of attracting that type of person by putting it all out there.
The Germans aren't big shavers. Shaving in German culture is something that prostitutes do.
My roommates there all shaved regularly, although they did tell me they thought shaving every, single day was "psychotic."
sofar at December 15, 2014 8:19 AM
Crazy Hairy Rob Lowe would like a word...
There's your winner. Glad I didn't have a mouthful of milk :)
drcos at December 15, 2014 8:23 AM
The Germans aren't big shavers. Shaving in German culture is something that prostitutes do.
My roommates there all shaved regularly, although they did tell me they thought shaving every, single day was "psychotic."
Posted by: sofar at December 15, 2014 8:19 AM
Probably a generational thing. When I lived there in the 80's regular German women did not shave.
Sadly, most of the world has been Americanized in this respect, and follows too closely what is *fashionable* over here.
I suspect most men don't really care about women shaving as much as women like to pretend they do.
It is almost always women who are cluck clucking at how other women groom, and dress.
Younger women rarely understand why many men would pick a less attractive women over that Vogue cover girl.
For a lot of men, that plucked, shaved, colored, pierced, polished version of womanhood, just screams high maintenance.
And taking the time to actually dye pit hair, really sends the same message. You spend lots and lots of time and money doing stuff to your body......
Men rightly run for the hills.
Isab at December 15, 2014 9:53 AM
I'm for it! Women who follow inferior mate acquisition strategies are less likely to produce offspring. This, in turn, reduces the number of "dimwit" and "bad strategy" genes in the gene-pool. Men like what they like. Men go after what they like. Its simple supply and demand economics. If a woman doesn't provide the product men are shopping for, another lady will. Bitching and whining about what men like won't change men, male desire, or masculine market demands -- you provide the goods and services people want or go out of business! This is, incidentally, a major reason feminism is turning off modern women, too -- women want men, and beyond that they typically want manly men of the sort feminists loathe. Anything that creates supply disruptions in their mating market, renders the transactional environment of romance adversarial, and attempts to hard-sell them into purchases they don't want while trash-talking the products they do want will not be well received. Ideology breeds sociopaths.
David at December 15, 2014 10:12 AM
It is almost always women who are cluck clucking at how other women groom, and dress.
Agreed. I've heard straight men say cruel things about how a woman is dressed, but it usually boils down to "she's trying too hard."
sofar at December 15, 2014 11:12 AM
"Younger women rarely understand why many men would pick a less attractive women over that Vogue cover girl."
I knew this early on when I would read comics and look at the ugly nasty shit clothing men would draw on their female characters. It's not the sexiness or giant tits hat bothered me it was the lack of good taste. The only men that understood what I was talking about were the homo ones.
Men are incredibly easy despite being visual creatures. The basic parameters are be under a certain weight, smile and have clear skin. You could have a dog face and plenty of men wouldn't notice.
Women can objectively know a man is ugly as shit and still be attracted to him. Men can not objectively know a woman is ugly and still be attracted to her. She could be ugly by others standards but he wouldn't see it. So ladies be grateful for that.
Women are vindictive, cruel and mean when it comes to looks. Just see what happens when a handsome man dates an average girl. Other men don't give a shit but women are a whole different beast.
Ppen at December 15, 2014 12:16 PM
"What we need is encouragement, not judgment."
There's a product of public school social advancement.
Nitwit doesn't know that judgment is required to develop encouragement.
Radwaste at December 15, 2014 1:32 PM
As long as I don't have to see it, I don't care what anyone does. As long as you scare the horses, I ain't mad atcha.
BlogDog at December 15, 2014 2:47 PM
Sorry - *don't* scare the horses (above)
BlogDog at December 15, 2014 2:55 PM
If they want to discourage excessive male attention, that's really nobodies business.
kenmce at December 15, 2014 3:56 PM
The women I know who are doing this are smart enough to KNOW people are judging them.
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Sounds right. Sort of like the woman who dyes all the hair on her head pink or orange. They know many men won't like that... but some men will.
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I live in Austin, where a lot of women are growing it out and coloring it. One of my friends just posted an artsy photo shoot of herself on Facebook after not shaving or plucking for a full year. And she told me that she KNOWS "probably 99.9 percent of men won't want to date" her. But since she's looking for that 0.1 percent who dig her look anyway, she's increasing her chances of attracting that type of person by putting it all out there.
Posted by: sofar at December 15, 2014 8:19 AM
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Well, that makes sense!
Reminds me of how (in a long article on transsexuals) a female-to-male transsexual complained of how the women in the personals all wanted tall men. Someone said: "You can get around that. Take out an ad and put in your height. Whoever bites likes short men."
lenona at December 15, 2014 5:07 PM
For a lot of men, that plucked, shaved, colored, pierced, polished version of womanhood, just screams high maintenance.
And taking the time to actually dye pit hair, really sends the same message. You spend lots and lots of time and money doing stuff to your body......
Men rightly run for the hills.
Posted by: Isab at December 15, 2014 9:53 AM
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Well, that's reassuring.
As I've said before, it would be very nice if men and women alike would learn to enjoy frugal courting, since it would lead to far less pressure and resentment - and, of course, both need to remember to reciprocate.
The traditional rule is: Whoever invites, pays. Even so, a man shouldn't have to do more than half the inviting on dates. When he does invite the woman, he should feel free to take her to free art exhibits or free movies, if he wishes, and ONLY spend money on dates when he's certain she's likely to spend money on him on future dates. Of course, if they BOTH prefer to show off their cooking skills and make elegant picnic lunches all the time instead of paying for hot coffee or restaurant meals that cost ten times what homemade lunches cost, more power to both of them. "How frugal are you" should not be considered an unsexy question.
In the same vein, women shouldn't be under so much pressure to waste piles of time and money to look like models on a daily basis - as you said, it just might turn men off anyway.
lenona at December 15, 2014 5:26 PM
"I knew this early on when I would read comics and look at the ugly nasty shit clothing men would draw on their female characters. "
Interesting... we are of different generations. I don't look at comics much these days, but I grew up with the Golden Age ones... Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, The Flash, etc. Most of the time, female characters not in costume were drawn as well dressed and fashionable. (Costumed characters were another matter... but it wasn't like the male costumes were any better.) Other than something like Sgt. Hulk, in which female characters were rarely seen at all, because the settings (battlefields) were ones in which women were traditionally unlikely to be found.
Cousin Dave at December 15, 2014 6:02 PM
So, you can say "that looks great", and you'll get great big beaming smiles in return, even though you're judging. But if you even so much as frown or look uncomfortable, that's bad? Judging is judging. People are hard-wired to evaluate, to judge "That fruit doesn't look so fresh, maybe I shouldn't eat it". And the person who doesn't bother to judge, eats it and sickens, maybe dies. It's a survival skill. If you're not ready to hear the bad with the good, don't put it out there. People with such a fragile sense of self worth shouldn't trendset.
samm at December 15, 2014 7:04 PM
Y'all had classy pornographic fodder back then Cousin Dave. That's a big influence in comics in every era. Women just dressed well in general so there were no influences to the contrary for the artists.
Nowadays the women are drawn like they have bolted tits on. They all look like they're stuck in soft core porno costumes from the 90s as their civilian attire.
Wish someone would bust out a contemporary fashion blog to these guys but I can accept I'm not their target demographic and my opinion on their ugly clothing choices is not relevant.
Ppen at December 16, 2014 12:30 AM
Hairy pits or bare pits - Doesn't really matter to me. But The whole Brazilian thing is a turn off. I want my woman to look like a woman, not a third-grader.
Peter at December 16, 2014 5:19 AM
I want my woman to look like a woman, not a third-grader.
I always wonder about guys who say this without prompting.
Tell me do you refuse to shave your face so your partner doenst feel like shes fucking a five year old boy?
lujlp at December 16, 2014 7:32 AM
I want my woman to look like a woman, not a third-grader.
I always wonder about guys who say this without prompting.
Tell me do you refuse to shave your face so your partner doenst feel like shes fucking a five year old boy?
Posted by: lujlp at December 16, 2014 7:32 AM
Pubic hair is a sign of sexual maturity. Facial hair, not so much. I think Peter was expressing a preference.
I personally have never had sex with a guy who shaved his legs, armpits or public hair, and that whole metro sexual vibe makes me go *yuck*.
Isab at December 16, 2014 8:21 AM
One, facial hair and pubic hair are both secondary sex characteristics and appear at the same life stage so for the purposes of Peter and his partners symbolically fucking children the comparison is apt
Two, he wasnt expressing a preference, he was obliquely implying those who didnt share is preference were pedophiles
Which is why I always wonder about guys making statements like that out of the blue
lujlp at December 16, 2014 11:44 AM
From Tom Carey's 1987 book "The Modern Guide to Sexual Etiquette":
(I'm assuming the wife is talking about a man whose pubic hair spreads three inches or so north and south of his bathing suit lines.)
Q: My husband is quite hairy, if you know what I mean. I asked him to do something about it but he says "real men don't shave." I don't know; I think it's gross.
A: Men are far from exempt from crotch trimming, though from what I have been unfortunate enough to have seen on some European beaches, many think otherwise. For goodness sakes, people! Let's clean it up! There are not, unfortunately, simple guidelines for men, especially when so many are covered with varying thickness of hair from neck to ankle. The important thing to remember is to use common sense, be neat, and that the more you trim, the bigger you'll look. That ought to send them for the weed-eater.
(end)
lenona at December 16, 2014 12:30 PM
One, facial hair and pubic hair are both secondary sex characteristics and appear at the same life stage so for the purposes of Peter and his partners symbolically fucking children the comparison is apt
Yes, except facial hair is very much a race and age thing. Europeans generally have a lot of it, and Asians, very little, so it isn't the *sign* of sexual maturity that you think it is.
14 year old boys produce viable sperm. Very few of them can grow beards,
Isab at December 16, 2014 4:24 PM
And sexually mature women have breasts and asses and a removal of some or even all hair if thats what the couple in question chooses is not proof of pedophilia, which Peter suggested it was
lujlp at December 16, 2014 10:27 PM
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