Affirmative Action Isn't Enough: Black Student Debater Calls For What's Basically "Affirmative Suicide" By Whites
This is a debate, and it occurs to me that the sides might be taking a position they don't really believe in. That's possible. I looked for more on the subject of the debate -- whether that might be the case -- but didn't find it.
This is an excerpt with the bit calling for white people to kill themselves. Lovely.
From the YouTube descrip:
This debate about whether white people should be exterminated was held at Harvard University.The pro-genocide team, Damiyr Davis and Miguel Feliciano, is from the University of West Georgia.Amazingly, the University of West Georgia brags about these two anti-white debaters on its website. Their argument for white extermination has made them No. 2 in the country! http://www.westga.edu/ucmassets/news/...
Worse, white genocide is being taught to high-school students. Miguel Feliciano works as an instructor at Coppin State University's Eddie Conway Liberation Institute, run by Professor Shanara Reid-Brinkley of the University of Pittsburg.
Black students at every major university in the country, including Harvard, Yale, and Johns Hopkins, have joined the "Black Liberation Collective" which endorses the murder of whites in a manifesto called "On Violence."
The original, unedited recording of the debate at Harvard is available at these links below. There's some weird crazy fast talk to start on this one. If speaking comprehensibly is part of debating, this starts off with a fail. (Or is my speed-hearing failing?)
The white guy does the crazytalk, too. Weird. The crazyfast talkers answer questions after their crazyfast talk.
Two more segments from the debate:
https://vimeo.com/52352262
http://vimeo.com/52351098
via @lauren_southern
Is this really what passes for skilled debate?
One of the white debaters asks, "We all have some form or another of privilege. Why does that mean [white people] have to kill themselves?"
And the response is, "Because you have white privilege."
That's not an answer.
Support for this debate team seems to be more due its "fuck whitey" narrative and the radical suggestion that white people should kill themselves. Not due to any talent this debate team has.
Patrick at March 15, 2016 12:00 AM
This is not at all an oddball perspective among black folk. There's ample documentation of this on Youtube. Look up Kamau Kambon, for example, who advocated for genocide on whites - publicly, no less, on publicly-funded TV on CSPAN. Louis Farrakhan has frequently asked for murder of "the white devil." The Nation of Islam is, after all, a deeply and systemically racist and particularly anti-White and -Semitic.
This is war, folks.
boethius at March 15, 2016 12:08 AM
If you got your wish, if there were no white people tomorrow due to some magical influence, that will still not make you a success, nor will you be a better person.
It's not me. It's you.
Radwaste at March 15, 2016 4:32 AM
Why do white people have to kill themselves? because if it came to an actual shooting war, the wouldn't be any blacks left.
I R A Darth Aggie at March 15, 2016 6:12 AM
Given that globally white people are a minority, and by definition minorities can neither be racist or oppressive, how is it white people are deemed racist?
lujlp at March 15, 2016 7:02 AM
It's just an opening in the negotiations.
They have nothing I want, so there won't be any negotiating with me. Just crazies talking to themselves. There'll be a call for donations after they burn their neighborhood down.
MarkD at March 15, 2016 7:08 AM
ditto what Patrick said:
"Is this really what passes for skilled debate?"
I can see holding a debate where you have to take a side that you don't agree with - you learn to look at facts instead of using emotion, etc.
But, if this is a topic chosen by the professor it is, indeed, a stupid one.
Certainly, they could have chosen something that wasn't so "offensive." Or, in the very least choose something that doesn't make them look stupid.
It does, however, make me glad that I did NOT go to Harvard!
charles at March 15, 2016 7:52 AM
Yeah, sometimes in debate contests, you argue outrageous positions as an intellectual exercise. In my misspent youth, I used to participate in creationism-vs-evolution debates, and a few times I argued the creationist side just to see what I could do with it. But the West Georgia Web site linked to seems to be trumpeting these guys despite the fact that they don't actually appear to be very good debaters. So that's worrisome.
Cousin Dave at March 15, 2016 8:07 AM
As a white person, this make me feel like black people aren't my friends. Should I be preparing for a race war?
Matt at March 15, 2016 9:16 AM
I find it odd that the Original Human Being, the Superior Melanin-enhanced Black Kings, first on the planet, owners of a continent of inconceivable wealth, were tricked by inferior pink-skinned albino cross-bred cave apes into forgetting how to do science 'n stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_%28Nation_of_Islam%29
Damn you, Yakub, you evil mad scientist you!
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at March 15, 2016 11:43 AM
First, let me say at the outset, this topic is vile and racist and would never be debated if you subbed in black for white. It is also an example of how the political debate world has become over the years.
As to whether they are any good, if you are unfamiliar with the debate world you will not recognize this a specific style of debate called Cross Examination or CX Debate and it is considered normal for speakers to speak at this rate. You have to have the ear training to understand them, but believe me there is quite a bit of architecture in those speeches. I used to compete in this event while I was in college. To someone like me, I can hear what they are saying with no problem. You must also realize, that during any tournament they will all be debating both sides the Affirmative and Negative of the resolution. In this case, the black team was going Affirmative (or Aff) and that means they were supporting the resolution. In their next round they were probably Negative (or Neg)and that means they oppose, or negate, the resolution.
For lay people, debate can be difficult to understand as an event. It gets complicated very quickly and you have to know what you are listening to, to understand it. However, it is the best training a student could ever get and the benefits will be with you forever. My daughter is Public Forum debater at her high school.
As I said, I don't care for this topic. When I was in CEDA we talked about things like censorship or violence as a justified response to political oppression. I am old enough to actually know the founder of CEDA Debate and I can't believe that he would support this topic either. Very sad.
Sheep Mom at March 15, 2016 2:00 PM
The crazy fast talk is part of these kinds of debates. Note there is constant interrupting going on. You have to talk fast in order to get a complete sentence out.
Part of the objective actually is to constantly interrupt your opponent. Logic is not really part of this. When you interrupt you show dominance while at the same time preventing the opposing side from presenting their arguments. This isn't an intellectual let's both present an argument and the audience will logically decide what makes more sense kind of debate. This is an emotional tone and pacing type of debate.
Think of the professor who proclaimed "I can't be racist. I'm Italian." Or the "Your an asshole" protesters at Milo's talk. You don't actually have to refute the opponent's argument. Just say some buzz words (white privilege). Make some noises. Sound angry. Whee, you win!
Here is Lois Griffin doing the buzz word thing. As some have humorously pointed out she isn't imitating a Republican (as the writers at the time probably thought). She is prophetically channeling Hillary Clinton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtbWWmtVYM
Ben at March 15, 2016 2:09 PM
Ben,
No talking over one another is not part of the process and yes, there is a lot of logic being used (badly in this case) but its there. Again, if you are not familiar with this level of debate it is very confusing. Cross examination is the only period where both speakers would ever actually interact with each other. During constructive speeches, the other team takes notes and does not talk. This is not a free for all.
Sheep Mom at March 15, 2016 2:35 PM
Okay, did a little research and it looks like the wheels have come off the bus at CEDA. Last year's national championship final round was nothing but a hot mess (and trust me when I say, no white student would have EVER won a round pulling these antics) and when they got called on it, they issued a statement saying that all the complaints were nothing but racism. If you think what Amy posted was bad, take a look at this. Again, REAL debate DOES NOT look or sound like this!! I swear!
Here is video calling out the stupidity current stupidity of CEDA. The creator has spliced images from the 2014 round into it so you can get a sense of what went on during that "championship round". Ugh, this is embarrassing and makes me so angry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14zGiRorcBo
Sheep Mom at March 15, 2016 2:57 PM
"White supremacy (in all forms) has colonized our behavior toward each other. We hold multiple salient privileged and oppressed identities as we hold space among Black people."
Err, wha?
kenmce at March 15, 2016 2:59 PM
This can't be done in the Policy debate division. It must be Lincoln Douglas or Public Forum...those two divisions are known for idiotic debate.
Red at March 15, 2016 3:47 PM
Sheep Mom,
CX Debate is a thing. But what was on display there is not CX Debate. Even if it was hosted by CEDA.
And no, there was no real logic used in that 'debate'. Yay for social justice, where the color of your skin matters more than the content of your character (or argument).
Ben at March 15, 2016 4:37 PM
Ben,
CEDA is an unholy marriage between LD and CX.The resolutions are (or were in the 90's) value based and require a criteria. It was an attempt to slow down CX style debate but has failed miserably. At the high school level, they have introduced Public Forum as a team debate format that is supposed to be presentational in nature, but it is slowly being co-opted by CX forces, as is LD. In the old days you wouldn't see LD debaters running Ks in their off-case but now it is fairly common. The time limits in PF keep the off-case a little more topical and keep the speed in check, but if you know debate, you that is impossible bc he who makes the most arguments tends to win.
Also I never said the logic in the round was any good, but they did have case structure. I didn't watch the whole thing bc I was horrified by how racist the topic was, but I saw enough. All in all, this is a depressing low for forensics. High school teams debate MUCH better than this mostly bc standards are still applied to rounds.
Sheep mom at March 15, 2016 7:49 PM
This is a test
Gregg at March 15, 2016 9:04 PM
Sadly, beyond debate, there is a whole movement that actually buys into this... or at least that whites should live as subordinate to blacks because somehow we stole everything from Africa. Lookup the Uhuru movement. Or, watch this guys fisking of another's video, which I'd rather link than give the orig hits..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpuT7iIcqy8
Miguelitosd at March 15, 2016 9:26 PM
What's with the new format for commenting, Amy? Can you get rid of it, because it sucks?
Patrick at March 15, 2016 9:36 PM
test
Gregg at March 15, 2016 11:15 PM
Miguelitosd, that's the part that gets me... their argument makes no sense in the larger context. If us white guys are really powerful enough and amoral enough to have done that, then, well, we'll just do it again. It's kind of amusing that they think they can trap us within a set of rules that they accuse us of having created, when by their own logic, we can change those rules at any time. Somehow they think that "you suck and you should die" is a persuasive argument and will change the behavior of the people that they are criticizing. It's a waste of effort and it only exposes their own lack of both morality and common sense.
Cousin Dave at March 16, 2016 7:22 AM
Across the nation educators glorify themselves, oblivious that they retard education by subsuming themselves to the National Progressive Agenda in all their pedagogy.
Defund Prog Ed in K-12, university, law and journalism schools (instead teaching Western Enlightenment) because Prog Ed is at war with brains, souls and laws and the U.S. Constitution. Either America thrives and is happy or it keeps Prog Ed and declines and is always at war with anything good.
Robert Winkler Burke at March 17, 2016 7:33 AM
Listening to these champions of black advocacy, is it any wonder they expect white people to solve their problems for them? No exactly intellectual giants. And I went to graduate school with black people much smarter than I _ but they decided to waste their time becoming successful business people, judges, etc.
Tom Water at March 17, 2016 11:54 AM
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