Women Are Not Equal; Women Are Infants, Unable To Decide When They're Victimized
Wildly, absurdly terrible case reported by Robby Soave at Reason. A male athlete was expelled for raping a female student and trainer -- a woman who said, "I'm fine and I wasn't raped":
Colorado State University-Pueblo suspended a male athlete for years after he was found responsible for sexually assaulting a female trainer. But the trainer never accused him of wrongdoing, and said repeatedly that their relationship was consensual. She even stated, unambiguously, "I'm fine and I wasn't raped."That's according to the athlete's lawsuit against CSUP, which persuasively argues that the university not only deprived him of fundamental due process rights, but also denied sexual agency to an adult woman. Taken at face value, this case appears to represent one of the most paternalistic, puritanically anti-sex witch hunts ever reported on a college campus.
...To be clear, CSUP apparently believes that Title IX requires the university to investigate a student for sexual misconduct, even when his alleged victim resolutely insists that he is innocent and does not want the issue investigated. Administrators essentially treated Doe like an object that belonged to them--one that no one else was allowed to touch.
Neal and Doe, it should be noted, had consensual sex again--probably because they genuinely liked and were interested in each other, despite the university's herculean efforts to keep them from touching each other.
Doe told another administrator, "Our stories are the same and he's a good guy. He's not a rapist, he's not a criminal, it's not even worth any of this hoopla!"
Yet, this "good guy" has been expelled. Because who knows better than some administrator that a woman who says she had consensual sex -- and keeps insisting that it was consensual -- really did not?
The student-athlete, Grant Neal, is going to sue, and -- this is such a good thing -- has named the Education Department's Office for Civil Rights as a co-defendant.
It is one thing to decide a toddler has been victimized -- even when the toddler doesn't seem to know anything is amiss.
A grown woman? In college?
Please tell me how this is progress.
Oh, and if somebody is truly a rapist, they belong in jail. But there's been no arrest, no prosecution -- and for very good reason: There was no rape here. It's just the new normal -- government-driven deep injustice to men and infantilization of women.
This story is so upsetting I'm going to need to go buy a binky to calm down.
Shannon at April 20, 2016 6:31 AM
"This story is so upsetting I'm going to need to go buy a binky to calm down."
Huh? So you're not 'really' upset by this?
Are you a misandrist bigot? Because I can't think of any other explanation why you wouldn't be.
dee nile at April 20, 2016 7:01 AM
I'm thinking we need to repeal the 19th amendment.
If you can't figure out who you want to bang without a parental figure helping you along or giving their permission, you shouldn't be allowed suffrage.
I R A Darth Aggie at April 20, 2016 7:01 AM
Dee, I think Shannon was being ironic -- she's poking fun at the infantile mindset in the university that contributes to this sort of thing.
So, the thing left unspoken here is that this was a third-party complaint. The pretense is that there is some supposed ethic that prohibits athletes and trainers from having relationships (I've never heard of that "ethic", BTW). The extra-delicious irony is that the two administrators of the training department are married. They passed on the complaint to the Title IX coordinator.
This has been a big problem in the whole sexual-harassment industry: the willingness to accept third-party complaints and take them at face value, as long as they reflect badly on the male. The Junior Anti-Sex League has had a wide open door for decades. It is the Left's form of puritanism and regressive attitudes about sex.
Cousin Dave at April 20, 2016 7:57 AM
CSUP apparently believes that Title IX requires the university to investigate a student for sexual misconduct, even when his alleged victim resolutely insists that he is innocent and does not want the issue investigated.
There's got to be more to it than this. Even by the kangaroo-court standards of evidence used in college rape "trials", how could this investigation result in a guilty verdict? They're supposed to take a woman's word that she was raped, but they can't take her word that she wasn't?
Rex Little at April 20, 2016 9:46 AM
These days it seems that cops and school administrators are drawn from the same pool of power-mad minor functionaries.
Very dangerous.
Perhaps we should throw them all in prison on trumped-up charges for a year or two just to wake them up a bit.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at April 20, 2016 10:25 AM
Note that this incident was started by a 3rd party, who is also a trainer, and who simply assumed that the hickey in question was non-consesual...
"According to the lawsuit, the Complainant "presumed" this sex was nonconsensual, and reported it to the director of the athletic training program."
oh wait... it was teh s3x0r that musta triggered all of this...
Or the interest in punishing a trainer for breaking rules.
Or punishing an athelete for breaking rules.
But that's not good enough is it? It isn't good until you toss a grenade into a couple's lives, and make sure that the monstrous evil man is kicked out.
Hope the kid gets his day in court, but as a taxpayer, guess who's on the hook for this crock o' sh*t?
And the woman involved? Is hardly involved. Except to watch the collateral damage done to a guy she mighta liked.
The OTHER woman involved my learn a valuable lesson in staying out of other people's business... but I doubt it.
If she thought it was rape, she sure reacted interestingly on behalf of her coworker.
SwissArmyD at April 20, 2016 10:35 AM
"Even by the kangaroo-court standards of evidence used in college rape "trials", how could this investigation result in a guilty verdict?"
Rex, Why on earth do you think the investigation resulted in this verdict. The verdict obviously came first and the investigation was constructed after the fact to justify it.
Jim at April 20, 2016 12:42 PM
Not to pile on Rex, but her views are not considered relevant. She is not part of the complaint, even though she is the supposed victim.
Ben at April 20, 2016 2:08 PM
I think my sense of humor is lost on Dee.
I was going with Amy's use of "infant" in the post subject/title. The notion being that, since I am a woman I must therefore be treated as infantile. I just went ad absurdum on it.
The comment was not meant seriously - except to seriously poke at the people who can't let a woman decide for herself if she's agreed to something or not. Or happy about it or not.
Now that I've explained, I will go back to my day job, since a career as a comedian seems to be a poor idea.
Shannon at April 20, 2016 2:08 PM
I happy to have your explanation, Shannon.
However, if a man's response to a story about a rape victim was a simple "I'm so upset I need a binky" I'd wonder if he was a misogynist bigot. And I suspect I wouldn't be alone in that.
dee nile at April 20, 2016 2:56 PM
If that was a man's serious response I would worry what medication he needed Dee.
Ben at April 20, 2016 7:11 PM
I was recently pondering this type of story in connection with the push to allow people to use whatever bathroom they feel they belong in. I'm sure people with gender dysphoria might feel uncomfortable going in to the bathroom that matches their external plumbing.
But what happens when a male (by whatever standard) and a female (by whatever standard) are in the same bathroom and the female declares that she feels sexually threatened by the male? Or what if a third party decides the nominal male may have behaved in a disempowering manner toward the nominal female, and calls the cops?
Since a woman isn't equipped to decide whether she was raped or not, is this another can of worms we're getting ready to open?
Karl Lembke at April 20, 2016 9:57 PM
By the way, I'm not sure Dee is serious. Not with that last name.
Karl Lembke at April 20, 2016 9:58 PM
" Even by the kangaroo-court standards of evidence used in college rape "trials", how could this investigation result in a guilty verdict? "
That's an easy one. It has been a feminist contention since the 1960s (hello, Germaine Greer) that all heterosexual sex is rape. Both the man and woman have admitted that they engaged in sex, therefore, a rape occurred. QED.
Cousin Dave at April 21, 2016 6:54 AM
Dee, if you go to "misogynist bigot" over "crazy" perhaps you don't know what a binky is?
I will hazard that anytime an adult suggests they need a binky (a.k.a. a pacifier) you can assume one of the following:
1.) the person is making a joke or poking fun at something
2.) the person is crazy
3.) the person has a very unusual sex life
(special thanks to the show C.S.I. for making me include #3)
Bigot doesn't really make the list.
Shannon at April 21, 2016 8:04 AM
Whatever, Shannon.
dee nile at April 21, 2016 9:06 AM
So, the thing left unspoken here is that this was a third-party complaint.
Actually it was a forth party complaint, it was heresy of heresy. The trainer that reported it heard of it from a friend of the "victim"
lujlp at April 21, 2016 10:39 AM
There's got to be more to it than this. Even by the kangaroo-court standards of evidence used in college rape "trials", how could this investigation result in a guilty verdict? They're supposed to take a woman's word that she was raped, but they can't take her word that she wasn't?
There is a reason they are called tribunals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki9zLg-DmoI&feature=youtu.be&t=868
lujlp at April 21, 2016 10:46 AM
"Whatever, Shannon."
Classic.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at April 21, 2016 4:58 PM
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