Ground beef? Yuck.

Replace it with bits and pieces of Salami, Chorizo, and beef ham. Once everything starts to have a toasty cover add the cheese and stir.

Add a squirt of ketchup, chopped leek hearts, mix it again and then add it to a hollowed out mini baguette.

BTW, don't use coconut oil, it adds a clingy aftertaste on the back of your throat after each bite. Use something clean-tasting like sunflower or corn oil.

Are you oppressed and feel like sticking it to the man? Just claim "cultural appropriation" for your shot at exerting unearned and undeserved power over others.

AH.

Whole Foods is the kind of store you go to if you want every piece of flavor sucked out of ethnic foods, replaced with a delicious cardboard aroma and then sold to you at quadruple the prices. I have never had such bad rotisserie chicken. Wtf is up with the indian food?

I was there the other day with a friend---the coconut water is literally 50 cents at all the Asian and Mexican markets. Not at all whole foods.

My friend was shocked when I told her all she has to do is find an Asian grocery store and she can get all the coconut water she wants for 50 cents. Wtf who do you think was drinking coconut water all these years before it became trendy?

Also the Whole Foods juice bar bugs me.

You can literally go the a mexican juice bar and get the same stuff for half the price. Though it is hilarious watching the hipsters come in and ask the servers for NO GLUTEN.

Those barely english speaking people do not know what the hell you are talking about but I suspect neither do the hipsters.

About the chicken, Ppen, the rotisserie chicken at Whole Foods is THE WORST. Those chickens have zero fat on them. They're like Hollywood lady chickens. My sister says the same about the Whole Foods chickens up in SF.

Want a good fatty, juicy chicken? And I dunno if they're still $5 -- but go to Costco and get a chicken.

You'll make the mistake of buying a Whole Foods chicken only once.

If you've ever wondered why people hate hipsters that is why Ppen. Trying to cover up insecurity and ignorance with overspending and arrogance. You don't go to Whole Foods because it is a good deal. You go to Whole Foods to prove (if only to yourself) that you aren't as poor and/or unenlightened as those other people.

So it is kinda funny to watch them get caught by their own stupidity.

You must realize that there are plenty of people that spend their lives looking for something to be offended by. These people should simply be ignored.

Yes, Costco chickens are still $5. Big, fat, strutting chickens, with 'Mother' tattooed on one wing and a pack of Luckies rolled into the sleeve of the other. Chickens that make chicken dinner on Sunday, chicken salad sandwiches for work on Monday, and chicken soup all week. Sold to you fire-hot, and swimming in schmaltz.

I do not know how they can possibly do this for $5. But they do. Costco is truly the miracle of our age.

llater,

llamas

Culinary colonialism? WTF?

So, if I patronize that Afghan immigrant's restaurant, I'm colonizing his dinner table? If I make souvlaki at home, I'm appropriating someone's culture. But if they make hamburgers or fried chicken, they're not appropriating mine?

And maybe it's just me, but this "chopped cheese" sounds like a culturally appropriated and bastardized Philly Cheesesteak.

Costco is truly the miracle of our age. ~ llamas at December 27, 2016 6:23 AM

Capitalism.

Sell a product of a quality and/or price that beats the competition. Meet a market need and make money doing it.

If that market need is a ready-made chicken and yours is tastier and/or cheaper, then you get market share. If yours is stringy, but no-fat, then you've met the need of a segment of the market, too.

The public gets the ready-made chicken it needs (of whatever kind) and you get to earn a living supplying it. If someone doesn't like yours, they can go next door and get one to their liking.

Hmm, I'm missing something. Who appropriated what from whom here?

Bread? Didn't wheat-based products start some where in the middle East - centuries ago? And spread out from there with everyone changing it a bit.

Beef? Clearly an Old World origin; but, which culture started eating cows first is anyone's guess.

Cheese? Isn't that a European invention? Or did it start in the Middle East?

Onions? Originated somewhere in Central Asia.

Hot sauce? I believe that the chili pepper is native to Central America.

As for calling this chopped cheese sandwich New York's version of the Philly Cheesesteak:

No way, Jose! Nothing is someone's version of the Philly Cheesesteak.

And, yes, the local supermarket by me sells whole roasted chickens for $5.99. Very tasty! Now, who did I appropriate that from?

Speaking of whininess in general...

"Infantile Nation: How Breeding Overgrown Children Begets the Nanny State"

Written by Selwyn Duke

http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/24902-infantile-nation-how-breeding-overgrown-children-begets-the-nanny-state

Excerpt:

...Calvin Graham became the United States’ youngest decorated war hero, receiving the Bronze Star and Purple Heart at 13, serving heroically aboard the USS South Dakota during WWII. (He’d lied about his age to military recruiters.) Now college students demand “trigger warnings” when a professor might ­present something traumatizing, such as The Great Gatsby, whose “trespass” is that it portrays suicide, domestic abuse, and graphic violence.

Why, we might say today’s little snowflakes need to “man up,” but watch out! That term is verboten on some campuses because, supposedly, it’s “offensive” and distressing. But what’s really distressing is that many “adults” today aren’t half the boys our ancestors were....

(snip)

I do, however, think it's a bit of a mistake to include a positive reference to the real-life(?) Casabianca. As every adult should know, the poem, at least, is considered a laughingstock - not just today, but for well over a century. Why does Duke think all the parodies were written? In 1904, E. Nesbit had her characters - in Chapter 11 of "The Phoenix and the Carpet," when fire breaks out - thumb their noses at the idea that such a boy was truly mature, since he apparently lacked common sense.

Not to mention that it's kind of weird to quote Benjamin Franklin on virtue, if you know what I mean...and no, teens today are NOT necessarily having babies more than they did two or three centuries ago, when teen marriage was a lot more common. (For the record, from what I hear, teen pregnancy has gone downhill ever since the 1950s; and while I don't know about the rates for pregnancy, per se, before the 1950s, teen MARRIAGE, per se, was actually pretty uncommon in the entire 20th century - except in the 1950s.) And just because teens were expected, centuries ago, to grow up fast and get married early, like it or not, that didn't change the fact that pregnancy has always been a lot more dangerous for teen girls than for women; maybe doctors just didn't realize that because they took it for granted that even women would die at a high rate in childbirth and that both women and girls should just accept that risk. Ugh!

llamas wrote:

Yes, Costco chickens are still $5. Big, fat, strutting chickens, with 'Mother' tattooed on one wing and a pack of Luckies rolled into the sleeve of the other. Chickens that make chicken dinner on Sunday, chicken salad sandwiches for work on Monday, and chicken soup all week. Sold to you fire-hot, and swimming in schmaltz.

That description made me smile. Those Costco chickens are so good. And they move so fast that most of the time you get one straight off the rotisserie.

To answer your questions, the poem to which you refer depicts an actual event. The captain's young son did die in an explosion while manning his station. So I believe the author of this article was referring to the actual event and not the poem. You do get some points for quoting Wikipedia though.

Second, there is no reason he shouldn't use Ben Franklin quotes to support his arguments as Ben Franklin was was correct in his views on virtue. Whether he practiced those virtues or not does not change the value of their content.

I'd buy the seitan version for $8.

Someone is surprised that whole Foods is expensive? Did they think it was a discount warehouse? In what possible universe is this any sort of cultural appropriation (even if that were bad)? Whole Foods is for people who obsess about the hipness of their food, who virtue signal, and who think they are being poisoned by ordinary food.
And maybe they were serving the cheese sandwhich ironically?

"Someone is surprised that whole Foods is expensive? Did they think it was a discount warehouse? In what possible universe is this any sort of cultural appropriation (even if that were bad)? Whole Foods is for people who obsess about the hipness of their food, who virtue signal, and who think they are being poisoned by ordinary food.
And maybe they were serving the cheese sandwhich ironically?"

I dont shop regualrly at Whole Foods. I buy selectively at sales, and before the holidays.

It is one of the few places in my area where I can purchase a real ham without all the crap they put in the ones at Walmart.

Big bonus. This year it was on sale.

Why are they complaining? go down to the damn bodega and buy what you want for $5. Problem solved. If Whole Foods manages to scam hipster douchebags out of money, well it is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money.

You can high five your fellow bodega patrons that you're not that dumb.

Speaking of hipsters, and their relationship to gluten: ask them if they enjoy beer. You can find gluten free beer, but it won't be a PBR.

You must realize that there are plenty of people that spend their lives looking for something to be offended by. These people should simply be [[ignored]]. - Jay

You people keep misspelling the word 'killed'

As for calling this chopped cheese sandwich New York's version of the Philly Cheesesteak:

No way, Jose! Nothing is someone's version of the Philly Cheesesteak.

charles at December 27, 2016 7:12 AM

Kevin Williamson, would seem to disagree.

Excerpt:

As a former resident of the South Bronx who was before that a Philadelphia resident, I will let you in on a little secret: The chopped-cheese sandwich is a knock-off of the Philly cheesesteak sandwich....

> Big, fat, strutting chickens,
> with 'Mother' tattooed on one
> wing and a pack of Luckies rolled
> into the sleeve of the other.

Late contender for Comment of the Year™.

"Big, fat, strutting chickens, with 'Mother' tattooed on one wing and a pack of Luckies rolled into the sleeve of the other."

That's one butch-ass hen.

It's getting real in the Whole Foods parking lot. You know the deal with the little shopping carts they got.

Still a great video.

To answer your questions, the poem to which you refer depicts an actual event. The captain's young son did die in an explosion while manning his station. So I believe the author of this article was referring to the actual event and not the poem. You do get some points for quoting Wikipedia though.
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I did not quote from Wikipedia. If Nesbit was mentioned in that entry, I didn't see it. I heard about that elsewhere.

Maybe I shouldn't have bothered distinguishing between the poem and the real subject. Anyone who died that way today - child or adult - would not, I hope, be considered noble. Except by the worst sentimentalists.

" Didn't wheat-based products start some where in the middle East - centuries ago?"

Try, the Nile Delta, millennia ago!

And, snowflakes, you want to be offended?

There's a lot you're going to have to give up unless you shut up about "appropriation"...

"Maybe I shouldn't have bothered distinguishing between the poem and the real subject. Anyone who died that way today - child or adult - would not, I hope, be considered noble. Except by the worst sentimentalists."

Yeah, Lenona, that whole duty thing is so 19th century. Don't want none of that around here no more.

Lenona, you're an interesting person. You should start a blog or $omething, a project I can get in on from the ground floor.

"Anyone who died that way today - child or adult - would not, I hope, be considered noble."

What age bracket are you in? Gotta be the ones where everything was provided w/o hesitation.

Yup! Ain't going to see me stick around while my 'mates' go down in flames. Bye li'l chickies bye.

Even Ms. Manners must have defined loyalty or "duty" at some point. Jeeze! Makes me think of the joke "I don't have to outrun the bear. Just you."

So of course the entire point of Whole Foods is snob appeal, and politically correct snob appeal in particular. By shopping there, precious snowflakes get to tell themselves that they are Saving The Planet(TM). But more importantly, they get the satisfaction of knowing that they obtain their vittles from a place where us hicks in flyover country cannot afford to shop. Must maintain appearances, darling.

As for this "chopped cheese sandwich" thing? With the ground beef and onions and cheese, on a roll? Us flyover-country hicks generally refer to that as a "hamburger". True, the beef is not shaped into a patty, but it's a hamburger nonetheless. Which surprises me, since the special snowflakes generally seem to be opposed to the concept of hamburgers. I guess the trick is to call them something ethnic-sounding and then charge $8 for them. What a great country we live in!

Lenona,

John 15:13: There is no greater love than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. ~ That Jesus character was always really full of himself and his cheap, dimestore sentimentality. Thankfully, we are past all that crap now and live in this glorious age where love, harmony and understanding between different groups rules the day. I hear liberals are especially tolerant since they gave up all the Jesus crap.

Bob, what do you mean?

There WAS no other ally to watch out for in the real case, IIRC. In the poem, the kid was simply told to stay in place for some unspoken reason - and no other mate is mentioned there either. (Seems to me that if there had been someone to watch for, that would have been in the poem. But no, the poem is about nothing but blind obedience.)

The kid doesn't even know what his task is, from the look of it:

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/hemans/works/hf-burning.html

Quote:

He called aloud–'say, Father, say
If yet my task is done?'

Again, what's so noble about absolute obedience and not even TRYING to use common sense? In the poem, at least, the kid doesn't even guess that there must be SOMETHING seriously wrong with his father not to give him permission to escape the flames. As you'll see, the father was already dead - presumably before the fire started.

From "The Phoenix and the Carpet":

...The little flames had opened now into great flame-flowers. The people in the theatre were shouting and pressing towards the doors.

'Oh, how COULD you!' cried Jane. 'Let's get out.'

'Father said stay here,' said Anthea, very pale, and trying to speak in her ordinary voice.

'He didn't mean stay and be roasted,' said Robert. 'No boys on burning decks for me, thank you.'

'Not much,' said Cyril, and he opened the door of the box....

Oh, yes, not to mention - how would any of YOU feel if your kid burned to death out of blind obedience rather than exercising a little mental autonomy, like Nesbit's characters?

Reminds me of a case of a 9-year-old I read about in the 1980s who had been taught stern, absolute obedience by her parents and, partly because of that, was a very timid and lonely wallflower at school. So when she finally made ONE friend, her parents were glad. Until, that is, the friend turned out to be a very manipulative shoplifter who wouldn't take no for an answer - and the shy girl couldn't stand up to her because her parents had never taught her how to say no to anyone - and they didn't really know how to start teaching her anything about being assertive! (The mother was pretty much the same way as the girl.)

Okay, let's try this one more time. The poem is a fictionalized depiction of a real event. You cannot draw conclusions from the poem. The poem refers to one of the greatest naval battles in British history, the Battle of the Nile. The child was on the ship bc his father was the Commondant of the French flagship. The ship caught fire in the heat of battle and many of her men died, including the Commondant and his 10 year old son. At that time, it was not unusual for children to apprentice in their father's line of work at an early age. That was whole point that Duke was making. Children are capable of more and earlier than we give them credit for. He used the words of the poem to illustrate his point. Get it now?

I don't know where all this Nesbit shit is coming from either. You do realize she wrote fiction, right? How that relates to the article is clear only in your own mind.

Finally, remind me never to be in a foxhole with you. As with most entitled people, you think your liberties come for free. Of course the idea of anyone sacrificing themselves offends you bc you can't imagine ever doing it. That is most likely the reason why you have no children (even though you display a very creepy obsession with them) because that is all about sacrificing part of yourself for a greater good.

@ Sheep Mom: BAAAM!!!!!!!

Yes, well, you don't seem to have any sense of humor. Otherwise you might understand why "Casabianca" has been parodied over and over, AND it's not something that English teachers today typically ask their students to take seriously, as a poem, whereas neither of those is true when it comes to "The Charge of the Light Brigade." (Or at least not nearly as much.) Even though both poems/incidents could be called examples of the idiocy of never, ever, questioning authority. In both cases, even if they had lived, their obedience would likely have done no good.

Duke could very likely have found a good substitute to refer to, real or fictional, instead of something that most people now consider both laughable and sentimental. But he didn't. (Most Americans ONLY recognize Casabianca's name because of the poem, mind you.)

My point in referring to Nesbit's novel is that that scene was almost certainly a good barometer of how much, even well under a century after the poem had been written, society had ALREADY changed - and definitely for the better - when it came to understanding the importance of independent thought, even in children, and helping children to BECOME independent in crucial ways when Victorian-style passivity could have been fatal - or at least seriously dangerous. (Not to mention that people were getting tired of sentimentality in general, whether in fiction or politics.) Otherwise, the book might have become one of the commonly banned books, since parents would not have approved of that scene. But there's no proof that happened.

Btw, Miss Manners even once pointed out that Victorian-style morals and restraint could be seriously bad for the obedient, passive virgin bride of that time, since she could not, after all, be expected to ask her parent-picked bridegroom before the wedding whether he'd been to the doctor, if you know what I mean - and she often suffered terribly and incurably as a result.

I'm all in favor of encouraging old-fashioned maturity when possible - but as MM likes to stress, over and over, not everything new is bad, and not everything old is good. It doesn't help when we ignore that.

Oh, and BTW, "because that is all about sacrificing part of yourself for a greater good" doesn't make much sense when it comes to choosing to have kids. Anyone knows that that particular choice is always backed up with at least one reason that begins with "I want." Not exactly unselfish. Not to mention, what IS the greater good in reproducing, in a world of maybe 7.5 billion at this point? Especially when the perfect baby could, years later, get hit by a car as a teen and become hospitalized for decades - and likely useless to the parents and the world? Or grow up to be a bad-seed criminal?

The people I admire - not just respect - are those who make real sacrifices where the results are almost guaranteed to do ten times more good than harm. The WWII veterans who fought for the Allies are good examples. So are those whose careers were truly serious, useful, exhausting, and mostly non-controversial. (Many of those people forfeited having a spouse or children because they knew their work WOULD likely be far more important in history - but many also likely never wanted to marry or reproduce for the same reasons they just plain didn't want careers that were different or even easier than the ones they chose. Same here.)

"... where the results are almost guaranteed to do ten times more good than harm."

Sorry but that proves my point.

For you the sacrifices have to be "where the results are almost guaranteed to do ten times more good than harm." before you value them. Life is not like that and its a shame you do not seem to know that.

Principles and "virtue" require adherence regardless of any guarantees of success.

It might even be their failure that ultimately creates a successful outcome by creating a sense of renewed purpose in survivors.

That's why there is such respect for those, regardless of their flaws, that lay down their lives protecting others. It's not done rationally because the outcome is guaranteed.

It's just done because it's the right thing to do DESPITE the outcome.

And, if you like, here are some reasons I gave for being CF, back in 2012:

http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2012/07/01/thomas_sowell_o.html

Or, as columnist Ellen Goodman famously said in 1991:

"...Mothers and fathers are expected to screen virtually every aspect of their children's lives. To check the ratings on the movies, to read the labels on the CDs, to find out if there's MTV in the house next door. All the while keeping in touch with school and in their free time, earning a living...

"...It isn't that they can't say no. It's that there's so much more to say no to. Without wallowing in false nostalgia, there has been a fundamental shift. Americans once expected parents to raise their children in accordance with the dominant cultural messages. Today they are expected to raise their children in opposition."

Why should anyone have to put up with that extra burden - or join the Amish or move to another country to escape it?

For you the sacrifices have to be "where the results are almost guaranteed to do ten times more good than harm." before you value them. Life is not like that and its a shame you do not seem to know that.
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Yes, well, there's a reason at least SOME people value good teachers, firefighters and doctors more than rock stars or pro athletes. If only more did. At the least, wallowing in rock or sports fandom contributes to anti-intellectualism and laziness.

And not all wars are equal in "virtue." There are reasons that the Vietnam War isn't as revered by Americans as WWII is.