Sheezus, this is the weirdest possible time to be seeing rhetoric like that.
Is not the quintessential lesson of the last ten years, from Obama to Trump to Brexit, that too much love and support has been given to gifted children and students —and too little productivity asked of them— even as the rest of the classroom (and the classroom, and the culture, and the freaking planet) descends into poverty?
Crid
at July 6, 2017 4:21 AM
Special ed programs get orders of magnitude more funding than gifted programs do. America is failing for many reasons, and this is one of them.
Snoopy
at July 6, 2017 4:45 AM
Volvo First Major Car Manufacturer to Go All Electric:
Regardless of whether you're looking to marry a man or a woman, you still need to ask yourself: "Am I prepared to marry the perfect person, only to see, soon after the wedding, that person get hit by a car and become a quadriplegic? Could I really handle that, emotionally, sexually, AND financially?"
(Keep in mind that when people say "I take thee in sickness and in health," they're likely thinking only of health problems that don't tend to happen until after age 60. Accidents can happen anytime. Which is why you also have to ask the same question when you're thinking of having children.)
And, even if you're not looking to get married, if you're a teen and you can't truthfully say to your loved one "I would love you even if you were in a wheelchair," I would say that's just infatuation.
lenona
at July 6, 2017 8:41 AM
So should cocoa become a dietary supplement to improve our cognition? "Regular intake of cocoa and chocolate could indeed provide beneficial effects on cognitive functioning over time. There are, however, potential side effects of eating cocoa and chocolate. Those are generally linked to the caloric value of chocolate, some inherent chemical compounds of the cocoa plant such as caffeine and theobromine, and a variety of additives we add to chocolate such as sugar or milk."
"America is failing for many reasons, and this is one of them."
I wouldn't be so sure of that Snoopy. On international comparisons the US is right in the middle. Just a little behind Mexico usually. And when you drill down into those US numbers and control for demographics you find there is zero correlation between education spending and education outcomes. Zip, zilch, nada. Anywhere from $1k/year to $60k/year spending per pupil and you actually see a slight negative correlation. But in reality it is pretty flat. So spending more money doesn't result in better outcomes. Gifted programs show the same effect. More spending doesn't seem to result in better outcomes.
So, at a national average of $10k/student/year we are probably wasting $9k of it.
Ben
at July 6, 2017 9:31 AM
"Regular intake of cocoa and chocolate could indeed provide beneficial effects on cognitive functioning over time."
Any graduate of Hogwarts could have told you that!
Radwaste
at July 6, 2017 10:15 AM
can we protest the Polynesians appropriation of electricity, indoor plumbing, and the college system
@Luj: can we protest the Polynesians appropriation of electricity, indoor plumbing, and the college system
From the article in question:
According him, however, locals of Polynesian ancestry and the Oregon State University Asian and Pacific Cultural Center criticized his newly-opened venue, pointing out how he used a Hawaiian name, displayed traditional iconography in a cartoonish way, and handed out Hawaiian leis to customers.
Somehow I knew college students would be behind this. Can we protest the protesters' appropriation of Chairman Mao?
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com)
at July 6, 2017 11:14 AM
Thanks Ben!
Snoopy
at July 6, 2017 12:21 PM
" So spending more money doesn't result in better outcomes. Gifted programs show the same effect. More spending doesn't seem to result in better outcomes."
I suggest that this phenomenon is common to professions that do not pay in proportion to a real metric. If it isn't proportional to results, there's no incentive to improve.
That's a seperate issue from adding expenses that have nothing to do with the classroom - the other decoupler between cost and success.
Radwaste
at July 6, 2017 1:26 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with you Rad. I don't believe that education spending can't have an effect on education outcomes. But for at lest the last 50 years there has been no connection between the two. And I agree the reason is because we don't hold the education system accountable for those outcomes.
Which is why I'm all for getting federal money and even state money out of education. The more local the tax/spend loop the easier it is to keep things accountable and effective.
Ben
at July 6, 2017 3:27 PM
> Tho I'm not sure that's the
> poverty Crid mentions.
Your comment is cocksuckingly oblivious & avoidant. If you are truly so unaware of the events that have been happening in American and world culture in the past year —Trump, the immigration crises overseas, etc.— you should probably just not communicate with others.
"Huge payoffs" for whom?, one wonders.
Sheezus, this is the weirdest possible time to be seeing rhetoric like that.
Is not the quintessential lesson of the last ten years, from Obama to Trump to Brexit, that too much love and support has been given to gifted children and students —and too little productivity asked of them— even as the rest of the classroom (and the classroom, and the culture, and the freaking planet) descends into poverty?
Crid at July 6, 2017 4:21 AM
Special ed programs get orders of magnitude more funding than gifted programs do. America is failing for many reasons, and this is one of them.
Snoopy at July 6, 2017 4:45 AM
Volvo First Major Car Manufacturer to Go All Electric:
http://www.supplychain247.com/article/volvo_first_major_car_manufacturer_to_go_all_electric/one_network_enterprises
Headline isn't quite accurate, but still impressive things happening.
Snoopy at July 6, 2017 4:48 AM
I thought my city hall was corrupt - they just got served by the FBI, but they're children in comparison.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/266687/dem-mayor-under-indictment-wants-taxpayers-buy-her-daniel-greenfield
I R A Darth Aggie at July 6, 2017 7:37 AM
World poverty.
https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/World-Poverty-Since-1820.png
and the article
https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty/
Tho I'm not sure that's the poverty Crid mentions.
I R A Darth Aggie at July 6, 2017 7:39 AM
Yes, yes, but will the Hawaiians give up Spam?
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/hawaii-themed-restaurant-owner-forced-to-close-after-accusations-of-cultural-appropriation/
I R A Darth Aggie at July 6, 2017 7:49 AM
A lack of eligible men? you don't say. Doesn't include the fact that marriage as currently practiced in the USofA is a really bad deal for men.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/269131/
I R A Darth Aggie at July 6, 2017 8:29 AM
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/269131/
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Regardless of whether you're looking to marry a man or a woman, you still need to ask yourself: "Am I prepared to marry the perfect person, only to see, soon after the wedding, that person get hit by a car and become a quadriplegic? Could I really handle that, emotionally, sexually, AND financially?"
(Keep in mind that when people say "I take thee in sickness and in health," they're likely thinking only of health problems that don't tend to happen until after age 60. Accidents can happen anytime. Which is why you also have to ask the same question when you're thinking of having children.)
And, even if you're not looking to get married, if you're a teen and you can't truthfully say to your loved one "I would love you even if you were in a wheelchair," I would say that's just infatuation.
lenona at July 6, 2017 8:41 AM
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170629101648.htm
Sixclaws at July 6, 2017 8:58 AM
Crowd in Poland chants 'Donald Trump' after POTUS declares "The West will never, ever be broken. Our values will prevail."
https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/882937323758862337
Snoopy at July 6, 2017 9:14 AM
"America is failing for many reasons, and this is one of them."
I wouldn't be so sure of that Snoopy. On international comparisons the US is right in the middle. Just a little behind Mexico usually. And when you drill down into those US numbers and control for demographics you find there is zero correlation between education spending and education outcomes. Zip, zilch, nada. Anywhere from $1k/year to $60k/year spending per pupil and you actually see a slight negative correlation. But in reality it is pretty flat. So spending more money doesn't result in better outcomes. Gifted programs show the same effect. More spending doesn't seem to result in better outcomes.
So, at a national average of $10k/student/year we are probably wasting $9k of it.
Ben at July 6, 2017 9:31 AM
"Regular intake of cocoa and chocolate could indeed provide beneficial effects on cognitive functioning over time."
Any graduate of Hogwarts could have told you that!
Radwaste at July 6, 2017 10:15 AM
can we protest the Polynesians appropriation of electricity, indoor plumbing, and the college system
lujlp at July 6, 2017 10:16 AM
@Luj: can we protest the Polynesians appropriation of electricity, indoor plumbing, and the college system
From the article in question:
Somehow I knew college students would be behind this. Can we protest the protesters' appropriation of Chairman Mao?
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at July 6, 2017 11:14 AM
Thanks Ben!
Snoopy at July 6, 2017 12:21 PM
" So spending more money doesn't result in better outcomes. Gifted programs show the same effect. More spending doesn't seem to result in better outcomes."
I suggest that this phenomenon is common to professions that do not pay in proportion to a real metric. If it isn't proportional to results, there's no incentive to improve.
That's a seperate issue from adding expenses that have nothing to do with the classroom - the other decoupler between cost and success.
Radwaste at July 6, 2017 1:26 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with you Rad. I don't believe that education spending can't have an effect on education outcomes. But for at lest the last 50 years there has been no connection between the two. And I agree the reason is because we don't hold the education system accountable for those outcomes.
Which is why I'm all for getting federal money and even state money out of education. The more local the tax/spend loop the easier it is to keep things accountable and effective.
Ben at July 6, 2017 3:27 PM
> Tho I'm not sure that's the
> poverty Crid mentions.
Your comment is cocksuckingly oblivious & avoidant. If you are truly so unaware of the events that have been happening in American and world culture in the past year —Trump, the immigration crises overseas, etc.— you should probably just not communicate with others.
Crid at July 6, 2017 3:29 PM
Winning.
4,095 lawsuits.
Crid at July 6, 2017 3:30 PM
Concentrate.
Crid at July 6, 2017 3:42 PM
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