Man-Bashing Disguised As Psychological Health Motives, Societal Concern, Blah, Blah, Blah
My tweet...
Could we please stop referring to sociopathy or criminal behavior, when exhibited or engaged in by a person who's male, as "toxic masculinity"? https://t.co/1tjRlT7ikt
— Amy Alkon (@amyalkon) December 1, 2017
✓ Golden. 🌟
98.94% of those chattering about "toxins" wouldn't know rat poison from puffed wheat. Their appreciation of manliness of probably not well-tuned, either.
Crid at December 3, 2017 10:30 PM
The indoctrination starts young:
https://www.popsugar.com/moms/9-Year-Olds-List-What-Dont-Like-About-Being-Boys-36139890
Snoopy at December 4, 2017 4:11 AM
That school exercise is particularly sick.
Also, and thanks, Crid, the people who are "toxic" are those referring to men this way.
Amy Alkon at December 4, 2017 5:22 AM
Thank you, Amy.
And yeah, "toxic" is one of those words that now means "anything I don't like".
Cousin Dave at December 4, 2017 6:15 AM
Funny how female teachers who sleep with their students or mothers who murder their children are not "toxic femininity".
The disconnect between what feminists say makes a good man (submissive, in touch with feelings, sensitive) and what women actually choose (high achiever, signs of testosterone, good provider) is so wide that it makes the grand canyon look tiny. Women very much want a man who makes them feel secure and this makes a great deal of sense because when they are pregnant or have small children, they are in fact in a very vulnerable condition. Only women who never will have children (ie lesbians) never have these feelings.
cc at December 4, 2017 9:11 AM
It would seem that certain people (including the Great Divider, B. H. Obama) would like to see men as a group grow increasingly resentful and hostile toward that group of folks who aren't men. Why would those certain people do such a destructive thing, and why are the folks who aren't men allowing this to happen? Stupidity? Greed? Envy? Vindictiveness? Select all that apply...
When TSHTF, and it will, it's hard to see a happy ending for the folks who aren't men. Oh, well. Too bad. You pay your money, you take your choice.
Jay R at December 4, 2017 1:11 PM
Soooo...
You write about the dubious and largely debunked Evolutionary Psychology, which posits that there ARE in fact primal traits that are inherently female and male, but you deem none of the more dangerous male traits toxic.
Do you even know what you believe?
Also, why does a woman who has never been married, doesn't like to live with people, has no kids, puts work before relationships, lives in a self described hovel, makes her poor boyfriend her errands bitch, and begs for donations on her blog qualified to write a book called Unfuckology? Were you honest with St. Martin's Press about your quality of life when pitching this book? How is this not fraud?
I think I'll write some emails. And if they don't kill your little project I will sue them and expose you.
Bitchlasagna at December 4, 2017 5:27 PM
"I think I'll write some emails. And if they don't kill your little project I will sue them and expose you."
Neither I nor my publisher fear the nutbag lady leaving anonymous blog comments. (This is your fourth. Previous were under "anonymousie." Yawn.)
Pro tip: You need to have cause to sue beyond "She lives in a hovel!" (It's actually a cute 1907 Craftsman I feel lucky to call home, but that's not very amusing, is it?)
Ev psych isn't "debunked": what matters is whether a particular study has solid methodology or does not and whether there is a body of work suggesting that the finding is valid and reliable.
The blistering rage in your comment reflects some issues in you. I'm sorry you're suffering so much and I hope you feel better.
As for the post, men are more predisposed to a number of things -- risk-taking being one of them (which is why more men die than women, especially in their teens and 20s). PS You either have to think the research is worthy or throw it out; you don't get to bash it and then use it.
Though men are more predisposed to certain behaviors, it doesn't mean that being a male means being sociopathic or a criminal.
This is a simple point of reasoning.
You seem like a sick person. You seem to study my life with great hatred for me.
My boyfriend has been most kind to me in the years -- recently -- that I have suffered such debilitating motion sickness that I was unable to go more than a few miles by car without getting sick. Also, my book was terribly hard to write. What he did was lovingly support me in this -- as I lovingly support him in his endeavors.
As for the donations thing, I rarely get any, but it's a common thing on blocks to allow people to pay for the work you're doing for free, if they so desire. It's nice and always appreciated, as it is when people make Amazon purchases.
Again, you seem a terribly bitter and rage-filled person -- filled with rage at me. Why? Because you disagree with some of my opinions that run in your local alt weekly? Do you not understand that in the adult universe, not everyone will think exactly as you do? The thing to do, if they are not advocating violence to people or kittens, is to debate them rationally.
You have, instead, left four comments, seething with hatred for me. Sad. Hope you feel better.
Amy Alkon at December 4, 2017 6:41 PM
Oh, and as for anonymity, you'd be wise to read my books, dear.
https://twitter.com/amyalkon/status/937881463759839232
Amy Alkon at December 4, 2017 7:10 PM
I always chuckle when someone uses the term "debunked." To me, it NEVER means "proven beyond a reasonable doubt."
Fayd at December 4, 2017 7:45 PM
"I think I'll write some emails. And if they don't kill your little project I will sue them and expose you."
Oooo! •Send• "That'll show her!"
I guess you've looked back as I suggested, compared Amy's social life with your own and found yourself wanting. That's OK. Lots of people have to do that, even as she will happily cite several of us "regulars" for beating on her.
But we do it with style (Crid), conviction (Patrick), reason (Conan) and elegance (Andrew M Garland)...
...not frenzy.
Sorry I left some of you out.
Dilbert named your current approach as "dynamically anti-clueful". Amy has made her life public for over ten years, and only someone easily outraged and a bit too much into themselves would fail to notice that.
I know you won't take advice from me, but... get some.
Radwaste at December 4, 2017 8:50 PM
Right, Rad. In fact, this book starts (after a brief introductory chapter) with a detailing of how I had no friends until I was 15.
My publisher knows all about my life and my emotional life because I LAY THEM BARE IN THIS BOOK. They paid for it.
Hint: Nobody wants to read about how fabulous you are. It's a bore. And it's not real. We humans fail a lot in a lot of ways. I used science to figure out how people can live with more confidence, even if they grew up as bullied, friendless, socially awkward losers like me.
Also, if you're going to attack me on a blog post in which I criticize people for use of "toxic masculinity," best that you not slam my wonderful boyfriend. I have a prince of a man and I try to be deserving of him. What kind of sick person demeans a person because they have somebody in their life -- a guy guy from Detroit and nobody's pushover -- who loves them enough to make wonderful meals for them when they're too tired to do anything but write their very hard book?
PS We order everything from Amazon or eBay, so there are very few "errands" to run, but thanks for caring.
Amy Alkon at December 4, 2017 9:49 PM
"When TSHTF, and it will, it's hard to see a happy ending for the folks who aren't men. Oh, well. Too bad. You pay your money, you take your choice."
Taken from Heartiste:
Hard times make strong men.
Strong me make good times.
Good times make weak men. (We appear to be here..)
Weak men make hard times. (Poised to move here..)
bkmale at December 5, 2017 7:35 AM
"Evolutionary Psychology, which posits that there ARE in fact primal traits that are inherently female and male, but you deem none of the more dangerous male traits toxic."
Logical fallacy. The latter does not necessarily follow from the former. The fact that two sexes exist does not make one of them inherently dangerous.
(Plus the fact that you defeated your own implied argument: If there are no distinct male or female traits, then you can't rant about "toxic masculinity" because it can't possibly exist.)
"I think I'll write some emails. And if they don't kill your little project I will sue them and expose you."
Jealous much? Thank you for your input, program caller. Tell George Soros we said hi.
Cousin Dave at December 5, 2017 8:05 AM
Aww, Amy's got a troll. That's cute!
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at December 5, 2017 4:33 PM
As I never get tired of saying, masculinity is not toxic. Victim culture is toxic.
Patrick at December 6, 2017 7:00 AM
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