The Latest In Crazy: Lesbians Being Told They're Bigots Because They Aren't Attracted To People With Penises
There's a piece by Amy Dyess at Medium on how lesbians are being told they're bigots under the guise of social justice:
TERF was initially used as an acronym that meant Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist, but the term has always been used to muzzle women from discussing our rights. For the past year and half, TERF has been widely used as homophobic hate speech aimed at all lesbians. That's right... ALL lesbians.
For the record, I am not a fan of the term "hate speech," but go with it here as part of the piece:
You don't have to be a radical feminist to be labeled a TERF. A lesbian can make it clear she believes trans people deserve human rights and respect, but she's still a "TERF" because her sexual orientation has an innate boundary. That boundary is same-sex attraction for other adult human females. Lesbians are the only sexual orientation that excludes penis......Let me be clear that trans people as a community aren't trying to make lesbians pansexual. Trans folks actually support and respect the same-sex boundary of homosexuality. It's the extremists who harm both homosexuals and trans people when they make unreasonable demands. That's fundamental to understand.
Here's a bit of the crazy:
Yes, sexual preference has become a form of bigotry in Social Justice Crazytown.
So, the SJWs are turning upon those they are supposed to be defending?
I don't even give enough of a damn to bring the popcorn to watch. You can give me the Reader's Digest version when it's all over.
Patrick at November 24, 2018 9:13 PM
Is this a common thing
wholeHAWG at November 24, 2018 9:25 PM
The SJWs are trying to regulate sexual attraction. Good luck. People like what they like, they're attracted to what they're attracted to.
Like the social conservatives trying to regulate gay people out of existence, the SJWs won't succeed in redefining lesbianism because sexual attraction will not conform to a man-made law.
Nor will gender, but that's a topic for another day.
"The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of...." ~ Blaise Pascal
Conan the Grammarian at November 24, 2018 9:59 PM
Still unclear this isn't just a few assholes engaging in this behavior. Regardless, this is unseemly behavior. We're all allowed our preferred genital configurations for adult partners, and the chance to persuade those possessing those configurations to have sex with us.
This stuff ain't easy for anyone. Relationships and intimacy are hard.
It's unfortunate that it's more fraught for trans folks, some of whom will be attracted to people who reject that because the genitals don't match the gender. It's not transphobic, and it won't ways be the case, but it's as reasonable for a person to prefer dick or pussy as a man or woman.
wholeHAWG at November 24, 2018 11:03 PM
Soon they'll exhaust themselves with this increasingly convoluted victim-speak, lay down for a nap, and stop boring everyone.
This level of baseless hyper-aggravation simply can't be sustained.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at November 24, 2018 11:23 PM
Good. In fighting in the enemy camp should be encouraged. And its all kind of funny.
I remmember when the left attacked white men who dated Asian women. They said the white men were fetishizing the women and it was racist. Then they started to attack all racial preferences. And now cis people are bigots if they don't have sex with transexuals. Where will the progress train stop next? I predict that eventually it will be considered racist if white men don't let their girlfriends sleep with black men. A type of sexual repiration.
"The SJWs are trying to regulate sexual attraction. Good luck. People like what they like, they're attracted to what they're attracted to."
--Conan
You'd be suprised. The modern left has created a social system that punishes heterosexual men. Any hetersexual man can have his career destroyed at any time. Women are simultaneously rewarded for false accusations if they are not caught, or not punished if they are. If you do get married you can be divorce raped at any time. Plus there is diffinetly a propoganda campaign pushing the idea that men are creepy if they try to flirt with women.
At the same time the liberal elites who controll the universities and media are pushing homosexuality. So the message young men are getting is that you are a dirty immoral creep if you talk to girls but you are a hero if you go gay. You are a superhero if you cut your dick off and go trans.
Jewish Cat at November 25, 2018 3:01 AM
"Soon they'll exhaust themselves with this increasingly convoluted victim-speak, lay down for a nap, and stop boring everyone.
This level of baseless hyper-aggravation simply can't be sustained."
--Gog
People have been predicting that this will happen since 2014. Instead this stuff has just grown stronger and the poeple pushing it have become more mainstream. In the current year I have friends comming out as gender fluid and people take them seriously. The whole concept of gender fluid would have been laughed at in 2007. In 2025 we will have state enforced homosexuality and people like you will still keep telling us that eventually this whole house of cards will collapse.
Also a lot of this victim-speak is just a flimsey justification to attack white poeple. As the percent of whites in the country declines you can expect more of it.
Jewish Cat at November 25, 2018 3:13 AM
Yeah, the LBGs and feminists are split on this issue. "Gender Critical" is what the TERFs call themselves because they are critical of the idea that liking dresses=being a girl.
NicoleK at November 25, 2018 6:18 AM
WholeHAWG the term they use is "the cotton ceiling", it is a play on the glass ceiling they have to smash through to get equality.
Planned Parenthood has workshops dealing with the "problem" of the cotton ceiling, because lesbians not liking dick is problematic.
This is not just a couple nut jobs.
NicoleK at November 25, 2018 6:22 AM
The truth is, few people find Transexuals sexually attractive. This is a known problem regardless of the state of their transition. And to complicate matters, Transexuals themselves prefer non-transexual partners.
I think that reasons that Lesbians have been targeted, is that they've been more vocal and are also more susceptible to PC bullying, as they are
typically advocates for such thinking.
To compound matters, there's the fact that autism and cluster B disorders are especially common among Transexuals, which results in a disproportionate number of histrionic people eager to voice their opinions on these matters.
marlo at November 25, 2018 7:46 AM
Sorry, I've already been accused of transphobia because I won't date a chick with a dick. So number of fucks given: 0. And this movement is like a brush fire: it will burn until it is out of fuel or has been smothered.
So, the SJWs are turning upon those they are supposed to be defending?
The revolution always eats its own. Besides, I suspect that this is aimed at white lesbians. Because they deserve it.
I R A Darth Aggie at November 25, 2018 8:00 AM
You do realize that anyone who sees themselves as an SJW is badshit crazy, don't you? With every utterance they dive deeper into the abyss the rest of us call insanity.
Jay at November 25, 2018 8:32 AM
"Soon they'll exhaust themselves with this increasingly convoluted victim-speak..."
I think the reckoning will come when the current generation of Transgendered children start to mature and reveal the physical and psychological abuse they've experienced at the hands of 'advocates'.
Many of them will have been sterilized and most will want to restore the characteristics of their birth sex, if they can.
It will be much harder for Progressives to attack these kids as transphobes and bigots.
gordy at November 25, 2018 8:43 AM
It will be much harder for Progressives to attack these kids as transphobes and bigots.
Hardly. The mere fact that they wish to de-transition is prima facie evidence of their inherent transphobia.
Remember, proggies play CalvinBall:
I R A Darth Aggie at November 25, 2018 11:33 AM
Lesbians are certainly not the only orientation that excludes penises. Straight men don't want their partner packing one either.
Do the haters have an acronym for us yet?
jdgalt at November 25, 2018 11:46 AM
If a white man dates an ethnic girl, it is exploitation or fetishization, but if he won't date them he is racist. Of course in the real world, inter-racial dating and marriage keep going up.
The sexual preference thing is not so amenable to crys of "__phobe" because both straight and gay people simply will not date a pre-op trans person. All the chemistry and visual stimulous is wrong.
cc at November 25, 2018 11:57 AM
Do the haters have an acronym for us yet?
Yes. "cis-normative white male". By default you are transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic, islamaphobic, xenophobic, racist, sexist and a great big fat bigot.
Just being white is enough to condemn you for the crimes that [checks notes] your great-great grandfather committed 200 years ago.
As Patrick has astutely noted, there is no satisfying these sorts, so just feel free to tell them to go self-copulate somewhere else. Apologizing to them only seems to set their hair on fire.
I R A Darth Aggie at November 25, 2018 12:11 PM
Good analogy, Darth. The PC rules are always changing. Makes it easier for the revolution to eat its own; and the revolution always eats its own.
Pre-C&H, such shenanigans were called TEGWAR: The Exciting Game Without Any Rules.
I was first introduced to the concept of TEGWAR by a card game in the somewhat-obscure movie, Bang the Drum Slowly, a worthwhile movie to watch if you want to see an understated performance by Robert DeNiro, before he got so full of himself.
Having seen that movie as a teenager actually helped me avoid a similar scam or two in college.
Conan the Grammarian at November 25, 2018 12:21 PM
That's "batshit crazy." I haven't looked up the origins of this word, but it probably comes from "batty," an archaic term used to refer to eccentric or outright crazy people.
Patrick at November 25, 2018 12:44 PM
The modern left has created a social system that punishes heterosexual men. Any hetersexual man can have his career destroyed at any time. Women are simultaneously rewarded for false accusations if they are not caught, or not punished if they are. If you do get married you can be divorce raped at any time.
That's just reverse victim-politics, and I reject it; I'm nobody's victim.
Saying that a hetero guy can have his "career destroyed at any time" is about as accurate as saying a woman can be raped at any time -- technically true, but if you live your life sucking up that Miracle-Gro of Bad Things Could Happen At Any MInute, you've become a victim yourself, and the status is entirely self-inflicted.
That said, "trans girls are girls, period" is rather like saying "cats are policemen, period." QED, buttercup?
Kevin at November 25, 2018 12:54 PM
Actually, there's nothing new about accusing individuals of being in the wrong, across the board, when they say "no, I don't want to have sex with you."
Just because we don't use the word "frigid" anymore (a very selfish term, to say the least) doesn't mean enough young people really tolerate the idea of people who are too young, asexual, severely traumatized, or who just don't want to have sex with a particular person. "What do you mean, you won't have sex with ME? We can use disease protection - what's your problem?"
lenona at November 25, 2018 12:56 PM
Just because we don't use the word "frigid" anymore (a very selfish term, to say the least) doesn't mean enough young people really tolerate the idea of people who are too young, asexual, severely traumatized, or who just don't want to have sex with a particular person.
"No" and "I don't want to" are perfectly self-contained answers that require no elaboration.
Kevin at November 25, 2018 1:19 PM
Twitter bans misgendering and deadnaming in pro-trans move
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/11/23/twitter-misgendering-deadnaming-trans/
Snoopy at November 25, 2018 3:43 PM
Kevin in your personal life you should avoid a victim mentality. But it’s also important to recognize when your enemies are organizing political action against you. Right now there is a lot of anti white and anti male political action and because whites males are not fighting back it’s going to escalate.
Jewish cat at November 25, 2018 5:51 PM
So, what we have is trans women finding (or at least trying to find) a way to coerce lesbians into allowing them to penetrate said lesbians with their penises. Explain to me how this isn't a form of rape.
Dran at November 25, 2018 6:48 PM
"Explain to me"
Mansplaining is forbidden. Sorry.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at November 25, 2018 7:58 PM
Bring it on. When leftists fight leftists stand back and watch the show
james at November 25, 2018 9:27 PM
There was an article in one of the local papers talking about this rift in the context of local events and venues. I can't find it now. I have seen it discussed in a number of reddits since. According to the article the rift has destroyed the local lesbian community -- the "lesbian" bars are no longer, all of the big groups have dissolved or at least split into smaller groups.
The Former Banker at November 25, 2018 9:29 PM
A couple years ago I went to a lecture sponsored by the Society of Flight Test Engineers. The speaker was Michelle Evans, author of _The X-15 Rocket Plane: Flying the First Wings into Space_, who is trans.
A room full of very conservative engineers just flat-out didn't care. Everyone engaged her on the merits of her book, not anything to do with her plumbing (with or without modification). We judged her by the content of her character and work, not any sort of color or other personal detail.
And yet now, even that isn't good enough. Crazy years.
Doug Jones at November 25, 2018 11:12 PM
"No" and "I don't want to" are perfectly self-contained answers that require no elaboration.
Kevin at November 25, 2018 1:19 PM
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That doesn't solve the problem of people (both men and women, of course) who get increasingly angry when they hear a repeated "no" and have no qualms about going off and spreading nasty false rumors about you - or committing any other type of barely legal revenge.
lenona at November 26, 2018 7:53 AM
Lenona wrote:
That doesn't solve the problem of people (both men and women, of course) who get increasingly angry when they hear a repeated "no" and have no qualms about going off and spreading nasty false rumors about you - or committing any other type of barely legal revenge.
That's absolutely true.
I was trying to express that "no" and "I don't want to" don't require excuses, explanations or mealy-mouthed statements. Whether the listener can accept that is a different matter.
Kevin at November 26, 2018 10:10 AM
I have to admit there's a bit of schadenfreude here, because the TERF complaint has an element of "Who let those people into the club?" But they are asking a legitimate question: "What determines gender?" And the answer they are getting is: "Shut up!" The people whom the answer is addressed to, in this case, makes it no more valid than it is when straight white men ask the question.
"A couple years ago I went to a lecture sponsored by the Society of Flight Test Engineers. The speaker was Michelle Evans, author of _The X-15 Rocket Plane: Flying the First Wings into Space_, who is trans."
Same with Wendy Carlos. People who listen to her music don't care about her genitals. Carlos herself worries about what people think more than she really ought to.
Cousin Dave at November 26, 2018 11:57 AM
So trans women are using public shaming to coerce lesbians into allowing them to insert their penises into said lesbians? Isn't this ,by definition,rape?
dran at November 26, 2018 2:50 PM
"Saying that a hetero guy can have his "career destroyed at any time" is about as accurate as saying a woman can be raped at any time -- technically true, but if you live your life sucking up that Miracle-Gro of Bad Things Could Happen At Any MInute, you've become a victim yourself, and the status is entirely self-inflicted."
Brett Kavanaugh on line 1 for you.
Burn the Witch at November 26, 2018 4:55 PM
So trans women are using public shaming to coerce lesbians into allowing them to insert their penises into said lesbians? Isn't this ,by definition,rape?
No, but it's certainly an elaborate modus operandi.
cheeflo at November 26, 2018 5:28 PM
"In 2025 we will have state enforced homosexuality..."
Ha! This sort of thing is a plot point in the sci-fi classic "The Forever War" by Joe Haldeman, put out in 1974. Faster-than-light travel and time-dilation cause our hero to return to a more-and-more-strange human society every time. "Normal" humans make a continuous transition to androgyny and homo/pan-sexuality, old-timers like him are shunned and ostracized.
Life imitates art, I guess...
bkmale at November 27, 2018 2:00 PM
Women are Women, Men are Men, we were given the Private Parts on our bodies. No matter what a person says about it, we are stuck with them, accept that.
Philip Simon at November 28, 2018 6:00 AM
You are all bigot PIGS!
Nobody of you is really lesbian, you not even know transwomen NOT have all a penis!
After the operation our bodies ARE female!
And before we were fenale too, and i would NEVER want sex with a NAZI 💩
I just prefer other transwomen insteat of naziscum with penis-envy who are cslling themself "lesbian". The most if you are not even feminine. You could rather be men in a " woman's" body. It's NOT a clichée that everytime one if you is playing the male part. Fact is you are NO REAL lesbians, you are heterosexuals in DENY, if not you wouldn't prefer a hyper masculine woman who is more man the every guy.
You're just a bunch of facist scum who has enough of men, so you get a masculinr woman.
Lost of you even let a transMAN fuck you, even after he's got his penoplastic. A woman who is with a operater transGUY on testosterone and let herself fuck by him still calls herself "LESBIAn"?! What the f....?!!!!
You not even hurt HIS feeling by see him a woman, you erase his identity.
That's here all just a bunch of propaganda, making transwomen look like rapist. The same way sou could say a gay man would rape you daughter (a man who's gay would not find sexually attracted to a girl even if she's so masculine as you)
Did you know straight women once claimed lesbian would rape them?
Did you know feminists once were saying " lesbians are no real women?
You are worse then the nazis!
You are like nazis who are saying help the yews are killing us... Hm nah, it's exactly the same pripaganda. You're at last so bad as the nazis, but maybe not because the nazis were never opressed.
Fuck yoursef with a cactus, pigs! Men in woman's body! (If a transman reads this, you're ok. At last you're not claiming to be lesbian just to spread facist propaganda)
Ailuranthrope at February 16, 2020 4:05 AM
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