Bodies At Rust
I'm a recently divorced 40-something woman, now dating again, and I'm wondering what the guidelines are on how long to wait to have sex. I'm not interested in casual sex, but I have a healthy libido. If I'm really attracted to a man, I'll be dealing with some powerful mixed (internal) signals regarding how long to wait. Really what I want is to have sex with a man I like as soon as reasonably possible without getting labeled by him (consciously or subconsciously) as an expendable floozy.
--Hotblooded
Tempting as it can be to tear off each other's clothes and rut like wild animals on the first date, it can be less than conducive to a desire to meet up again to ask things like "So...where'd you go to middle school?"
Also, you do risk getting labeled a hussy for not keeping an aspirin clenched between your knees -- Rush Limbaugh's advice for unmarried women he isn't popping Viagra for -- while the date you drop the aspirin for gets to put another notch in his oar. As explained in previous columns, men and women are biologically and psychologically different, and the sexual double standard springs out of those differences -- like how one sex gets pregnant and the other sex gets paternity uncertainty. As nice (and fair) as it would be if casual sex worked the same for women and men, there's an old Arab saying quoted by a Lebanese-born friend of mine: "If my grandmother had testicles, we would have called her my grandfather."
Some women do wait to have sex with a man they've just met -- like, a whole hour -- and manage to make that the first hour of the rest of their lives together. Just because that's risky doesn't mean it's impossible. But, sleep with a man before you know who he is and you could find yourself wearing lust goggles -- convincing yourself he's good for the long haul when he's really just good in bed. The good news is, men in their 40s tend to be less "use 'em and lose 'em" than those in their 20s. "The third date rule" -- the expectation that the third date is the sex date -- is also more of a factor for 20-somethings. If you're, say, 45, and dating guys 50 to 60, the third date rule is probably something more like "Don't fall asleep."
When dating, remind yourself that the part of you that's clamoring for sex is not the organ that does your best thinking, and plan your outings accordingly. Keep in mind that people who regret their behavior on dates tend to say stuff like "We got really drunk, and then we slept together," not "We went to the museum in broad daylight and then had one too many lattes." As for how long to wait to have sex, there's no magic number of dates. But, since casual sex isn't your thing, you should probably hold out until there seems to be an emotional attachment -- on both sides. Maybe a good guideline is waiting until you and a man are kinda cuddly. Until that time, hint that your favorite sex position actually isn't arms folded/legs crossed; you just like to get to know a man before you get to know how his Miller Lite chandelier looks wearing your thong.








But, since casual sex isn't your thing, you should probably hold out until there seems to be an emotional attachment -- on both sides.
Hotblooded, I agree with Amy here. I think most guys around your age are going to be willing to wait, for a while anyway. I don't know how many other guys feel the way I do, but I actually like waiting (again, for a while...not for a long time) -- especially when I've been given some indication the sex is going to be great (e.g. the woman really knows how to kiss) -- because the anticipation is hot.
JD at April 17, 2012 6:58 PM
"But, sleep with a man before you know who he is and you could find yourself wearing lust goggles"
Amy! This is exactly the advice my eldery Japanese neighbor gave me. She said something along of the lines "It's not that I'm not modern, it's that you will get attached to a guy with lust and overlook his negatives"
By the third date though I do gotta check out a guys junk. Sorry, I know most women don't care but I'm equipped with half a gay mans brain in a womans body. I gotta see what you're packing and if I like it.
Purplepen at April 17, 2012 11:03 PM
Purplepen you just about made me spit a half a can of monster on my keyboard. Gotta warn someone before you bust out a line like that. 'lol'
Robert at April 17, 2012 11:15 PM
"...but I'm equipped with half a gay mans brain in a womans body. I gotta see what you're packing and if I like it."
Oh thank the gods! I thought I was the only one!! LOL!! Ppen, you made my day! And Amy, you're spot on, as usual. I've found I made my worse mistakes with guys after having had sex too soon. Waiting is better, even if you only wait until the 2nd or 3rd date.
Flynne at April 18, 2012 5:47 AM
I urge you to be careful and research more what you believe about Rush Limbaugh. He did not say the aspirin thing during the recent Fluke controversy. It was some Super-PAC billionaire.
Enjoy your columns a lot!
Amit R at April 18, 2012 7:36 AM
Oops. I have sent my own advice to me with a note to take it next time. I was wrong about the Limbaugh quote.
Amit R at April 18, 2012 7:39 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2012/04/bodies-at-rust.html#comment-3147516">comment from Amit ROops. I have sent my own advice to me with a note to take it next time. I was wrong about the Limbaugh quote.
Thanks, Amit R. I ask that people who wrongly accuse me on that (I got a lot of emails doing that!) make a donation to campus civil liberties defender theFIRE.org
http://thefire.org/article/13613.html
Amy Alkon
at April 18, 2012 9:19 AM
My husband and I totally 'did it' on the first date. Actually it was before the first date - he took me out for tacos a few days later. (In my defense, I did lay it out there after we did it that I was not interested in being one of his 'royal oats,' even if we did have obvious fantastic sexual chemistry.)
But I know ours is the exception to the rule, and I never advise my single friends to do what we did...
I just got lucky, on a couple of levels ;)
Lori M at April 18, 2012 10:42 AM
Where are these horny women? I sure as hell can't find them.
Joe at April 18, 2012 12:06 PM
I am in my late forties and have been a serial monogamist for twenty years. It is very unlikely I will be revealing much about myself to anyone until after we have started sleeping together. I want to know if all that 'getting to know someone' effort is going to be worth the trouble from the start.
nuzltr2 at April 18, 2012 1:17 PM
Yeah, Lori, I pretty much stalked my husband and threw myself at him on our first date. Basically everything Amy advises against. I would NEVER advise our daughter to do what I did, but it worked out for us. :)
Joe: College.
Sosij at April 18, 2012 1:49 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2012/04/bodies-at-rust.html#comment-3147802">comment from SosijSometimes, Sosij, people will break the rules and have it work. But, it's like running into traffic without looking. You might live, and without broken bones, but it's best to look both ways.
Amy Alkon
at April 18, 2012 2:16 PM
People who talk about "waiting" to have sex make me think of baking brownies: you put them in the oven and WAIT until they're ready. Don't touch them and don't look!
What do you mean here by "waiting" to have sex?
WAITING by the phone?
WAITING for her to get rid of her fnck-buddy?
In real life, waiting gets us nowhere! It takes serious interaction between two people in order for sex (not "sleep") to be the choice call.
Sheesh.
jefe at April 18, 2012 9:15 PM
As a man in his forties, I can say that I don't think any less of a woman or treat her with any less respect if she puts out right away. When you reach our age, you understand that sex is fun and doesn't necessarily mean as much as a twenty year old thinks it does. It's a perfectly healthy recreational activity and, damn it, we all need it.
Want some dick? Have some dick.
It doesn't make you a "slut" or any other term designed to oppress women. Don't buy into to any of that nonsense that there is something wrong with a woman who enjoys sex.
whistleDick at April 18, 2012 10:35 PM
I think the problem with having sex too quickly isn't that the guy necessarily will think worse of you, it is that he won't necessarily think more of you either. He's not going to be as blinded by oxytocin as you are likely to be.
So yeah, you might have sex and then you both hit it off and find you're soulmates, just like you might hit it off after a cup of coffee.
But you might have sex and find you're not so into each other. And women are more likely to cling on to the idea that you ARE into each other, and thus are more likely to get burned.
NicoleK at April 19, 2012 4:13 AM
Nicole K is right, women are much more likely to think sex means more than men. I truly believe it is hard wired and add the oxytocin in to the cultural mix and women do not stand a chance.
Whistledick, I recently was in a group of women ages 30 to 68, we were kicking back in a back country camp having a few drinks on a chick trip, there were 18 of us. Someone asked the question what does sex mean to you? All but one woman said, if I have sex with a man it means commitment to me. Two younger women said they pretend it does not, but to them it means commitment too. They pretend because they know it does not mean commitment to most men. None of these women are what you would call conventional. All backpack, raft, hike, canyoneer, snowshoe and ski.
I do have a few female friends for whom having sex means as much as a hug does to most women. They are few and far between. Most of us love sex but we also know it means more to most of us than it means to most men.
Lori Major at April 20, 2012 12:16 PM
Want some dick? Have some dick.
I can totally see that as a t-shirt
lujlp at April 21, 2012 12:45 PM
"Have some dick"
Horrible Jewish nana thought bubble:
"Go on, have some! I've been basting the dick all day. Have some!"
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at April 29, 2012 2:29 PM
third or fourth date is a good time to go for sex. you already know if you can be compatible, and if it's present at all, the chemistry has had time to built up. if he thinks you're a slut then, good riddance! if the sex is good, he'll probably be back for more as long as you don't imply the "c" word. and you shouldn't. lust blindness is a dangerous condition.
lisa at May 3, 2012 3:38 PM
How about after you've both been tested for STDs?
Scrago at May 5, 2012 6:19 AM
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