And I also suggest you not hang out with tall hunk when looking to score. Next only will you be less successful because women who want a one night stand will probably want one with him over you, but his scoring when you don't will just reinforce feelings of inadequacy.

As evolutionary psychologists Dr. Glenn Geher and Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman write in Mating Intelligence Unleashed, "research suggests that men who are not "tall, masculine, muscular, facially attractive, and socially dominant ... are not likely to be successful in short-term mating."

Note that four of those five items have to do with looks. Now, "not likely" doesn't mean it's impossible to get laid if you lack those physical attributes but it does mean that it's not likely.

Even for a long-term relationship, a man's looks matter to women (just as a woman's looks matter to men.) A guy can be a great guy but if a woman doesn't find him physically/sexually attractive in some way, she's not going to want to get naked with him.

Amy is dead on here: Get to know women, instead of trying to pick them up.

Find a hobby you like, or can learn to like, where lots of women are present. One example: take dance classes. You'll meet women, get to know them, can casually ask them to coffee after the class, one thing leads to another.

In the worst case, you'll make some friends; in the best case, you'll meet "the one".

Um, yeah. If I were single and looking to hook up with someone, I'd absolutely be after the tall hot guy versus the chubby little pigfaced one. That's life.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you clearly don't have the techniques down. I've done some of the pick up artist stuff and what you're really supposed to be learning is how to develop a rapport with women.

It's not as if everyone of those women you talk to will be interested in sleeping with you. The goal is to learn to be social and develop the confidence to present yourself to women, not as a friend, but as a potential mate.

Also, don't only try to use the technique at bars. I know most guys focus on going out to bars, but bars are actually really difficult for men because you have to be really aggressive (or hypermasculine like your friend).

The best place is at house parties or other social gatherings (like the dance class mentioned above) where people are more relaxed and it's easier to talk to people.

Sad but true. Woman are as bad as men - shallow and not realistic. Certain parts of you not associated with your brain kick in and all you can see is the hot guy even if he looks right through you like you were glass.

I'm going to co-sign what Andrew said.

I know several guys who study pick-up and are experimenting with it, and I'm given to understand there's a bit of a learning curve, where you're going through the motions, but your personality/confidence haven't quite caught up, so your actions don't seem genuine. They don't seem natural, and it turns women off.

Also, here's something I've observed: I know plenty of guys who are NOT conventionally attractive, but they have no trouble getting women. The common denominator? They are awesome at *something.* It doesn't matter what it is, but being the master of a skill is a turn on. Off the top of my head, the guys I'm thinking of are awesome at one of the following: ballroom dancing, cooking, slam poetry, DJing, magic tricks, piano, and drink-mixing. Try to become awesome at something you enjoy, and make sure women see you doing it.

Another question I would ask this guy is if he goes after the hottest women in the room, or does he target women equal to his level of attractiveness.

I'm an average looking man, and I'm shorter than average to boot. But when single I had absolutely zero problem getting dates (and getting into bed with) women who were more attractive than I am, sometimes much more so. My wife is a much better looking woman than I am a man, and nine years younger, too. I think a man can realistically get interest from women about two points better looking on the 1-to-10 attractiveness scale.

The main thing is just knowing how to talk to women, which most men simply suck at, and which the PUA community does a good job at teaching (though it is occasionally a little too manipulative for my taste). I didn't really start reading the red-pill sites until after I got married, but I realized that I'd been naturally doing a lot of the PUA stuff already: playful negs, cocky/funny, framing, etc. The key, as mentioned above, is truly internalizing it and not just having a weak and superficial understanding of it.

As far as practical suggestions and skills, two things helped me score dates (and sex) better than anything else. I'm a halfway decent swing and country-couples dancer. Most women love dancing, and are much more likely to bed a man (or agree to another date) after a night of being skillfully and confidently twirled around a dance floor - especially if it makes other women jealous. Learn to dance. Basic swing and country are pretty easy to pick up, even for clumsy white guys like me.

The other thing is event tickets. It can be a concert, a wine or beer tasting, a sporting event or whatever. The point is that it's something out of the ordinary (not the dreaded dinner and a movie). Meet a woman for a couple cheap drinks and if it goes well, just sort of casually mention, "Hey, I have an extra ticket for the Dbacks game Friday. You should join me." Don't beg or really even ask; just suggest that you'd like her company at the event.

I was turned down exactly *once* with the event approach, ironically by my now-wife, but found success literally dozens of times. You can find cheap tickets on Craigslist or whatever, and my experience is that the women never, ever cared if we were in the cheap seats. Actually, I really got to know my wife while watching baseball games from the bleachers, drinking cheap beer, and talking between big plays.

It's been my experience if women don't like you, they just don't like you. There's really nothing that can be done. It doesn't matter how much I work out, or how outgoing and friendly I am. I would do anything to make myself the type of man a woman could be attracted to (love?). I have tried everything and it's just freakin' pointless.

I can't make myself taller or better looking. I am a loser and that's it. The pain and loneliness are intense, but there's nothing to do but endure it. I wish I could be optimistic, but there just isn't any reason to be at this point.

I will die a lonely bitter old man and there's not a damn thing I can do about it.

I keep wondering why he wants one-night stands rather than a steady girlfriend.

PUA technique works....but its not magic.

To the extent that it's magic...its very demanding.

If you want near one-night stands with young pretty girls on a regular basis...you will need to internalize and execute all its elements awesomely from start to finish. These elements go beyond verbal skills and include grooming, lifestyle, wardrobe, fitness....etc.

At the end of this process you will be an entirely different person.

And when I mean different, I mean "had to change careers because I couldn't reconcile my last one with the new person i've become" different.

Frankly, most men aren't really up for this sort of suicide by another name. They would be happy with the best courtship skills possible while remaining themselves. PUA can give you this as well, for a LOT less effort...but you will need to adjust your expectations accordingly.

Stop going to bars, start going to house parties and meeting normal girls who don't have 100 times your social experience.

Settle for more and (much) better girlfriends in lieu of on-demand NSA encounters.

Granted the latter is a more demanding test of your abilities...but i'd give a million to one odds that the former is actually what will make you happier.

Patrick -
Some guys just like variety.

But girlfriends lead to marriage, and marriage is a trap for men these days. It's much safer to have a number of more casual relationships than one serious one.

Very few women are like Amy. Most single women are looking for a ring. Maybe not now, but eventually. Unless that's what he's interested in, he shouldn't waste their time.

"And I also suggest you not hang out with tall hunk when looking to score."

I thought this was obvious? You don't see overweight women going out with their size 6-DD-blonde-blue-eyed-legs up to their ears-friends to pick up men....maybe the LW shoulda picked up on that?

...another really easy (well, not *easy* per se, but simple) way to be more attractive to women is to be fit. Yes, it requires some time and discipline, but having a somewhat built bod will instantly up your attractiveness score by a whole lot. Maybe even lose some of the baby-face too as a side result. Being fit and being well groomed don't cost anything but some time and effort.

(same goes for women, but to a lesser extent. Our grooming isn't as simple or cheap necessarily--but the fitness thing, yeah, works both ways)

Let me give you some good advice,young man...
Learn how to play guitar.

Seriously. Even ugly musicians get laid sometimes.

Why does he want a one night stand? C'mon Patrick, was your wife standing behind you in the room when you typed that?

Its because having lots of sex is lots and lots of fun.

When I lived overseas I used to have sex with lots of different women, and it was never once something I regretted.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a steady relationship.

But is there really a man here who claims he'd just hate the notion of having sex with lots of different women?

> Why does he want a one night stand? C'mon
> Patrick, was your wife standing behind you in the
> room when you typed that?

> But is there really a man here who claims he'd
> just hate the notion of having sex with lots of
> different women?

Well, Patrick is gay, so I'm pretty sure his wife wasn't standing behind him, and I'm pretty sure he's not keen on having sex with lots of different women.

I'll make it simple, kid. Look in the mirror. That's YOU, buddy. Make THAT man the best he can be, inhabit him, and own every damn thing about him.
Bitching that you're not 6'2" will change your height, not one whit.
Women who wont date a guy below 6' wont do that, so? Move on to another.
Remember that other is often a sidekick to the stunning woman the 6'2" guy is eying. She may be lonely there, so go make her laugh, ask her to dance, etc.
Perhaps that will lead somewhere, or to another, but be realistic.
Be very careful to remember that any woman can turn hypergamous, so only marry the right one. You know the rules. Be prepared to break them.

Mike-
Believe in yourself. Be your best. Be confident and go find the woman you want.