Cleanup In Aisle Home
I've been seeing my boyfriend for 10 months and living with him and his 12-year-old daughter for half that time. He broke up with his daughter's mother after she became addicted to coke and then meth. She has been in and out of jail and has a massive number of possessions, loads of which are still here: furniture, little picture frames, small decorative pieces, jewelry boxes full of random junk (earrings, magazine clippings, makeup, little figurines, candy wrappers). When I moved in, I spent days boxing up many of her possessions, but she claims to live in a tiny apartment, won't divulge where, and refuses to take a single box. She even freaks out at the mention of getting rid of her dumb garden gnomes (which she stole from someone's yard while high). If my boyfriend tried to make her take her things, she'd have a huge meltdown, putting their daughter in the middle, and he's submissive to her because of that. I'd put everything in storage, but we don't have the extra money. My boyfriend's getting exasperated about this, and I'm thinking I should just drop it. I hate living among all of her things, but I love him so much that I don't seem to have a choice.
--Smothered
You're a hard lady to buy a housewarming gift for, as they don't make plaques that say, "Home is where the heart-shaped jewelry box full of your boyfriend's daughter's mother's candy wrappers is."
It's no small thing, having to wake up every day in some other woman's two-bedroom junk drawer. But like many women, you seem to prioritize your relationship over your feelings and well-being. There are compromises to be made in any romantic partnership, but being gnawingly miserable in order to be happy doesn't end well, assuming you weren't looking to live resentfully ever after. Healthy compromise involves expressing your feelings and together figuring out solutions that work for both of you, not keeping your feelings to yourself until clutter control suggestions like "put random stuff in pretty baskets" give way to thoughts like "commit arson."
There is a way to turn this situation positive -- without lighting a match or opening your front door and yelling, "Yard sale!" Use this as your training ground for developing healthier conflict resolution. To bring up how you're feeling, open with the good stuff -- how much you appreciate him and your life together -- and then tell him that you're unhappy living in a house that constantly reminds you of his ex. Let him know that you understand his concern for protecting his daughter but that the solution isn't submitting to emotional blackmail; it's talking to his daughter in advance about what you're doing and why and maybe scheduling a sleepaway for her on the day the trash hits the fan (or, more prudently, the storage unit).
Tempting as it must be to "store" his ex's things in a landfill, it's safest to proceed with the expectation that she'll sue him for that and claim that the bud vase that was under the bed came from the Qing dynasty and not free, with a Wednesday wax job, from the carwash. As for your not having the "extra" money for storage, tending to your feelings, as well as your boyfriend's, may mean that you both go without lattes or do odd jobs so you stop living as a second-class citizen to two stolen garden gnomes, 17 partially filled shampoo bottles, and all the rest.
University of Chicago law professor Lior Strahilevitz said that the law typically regards a situation like you've described as "gratuitous bailment," legalese for a person's temporarily holding someone else's property without benefit or compensation. He suggests that your boyfriend send several emails and texts and leave phone messages telling the ex that she needs to pick up her possessions from the storage facility "within a reasonable amount of time." (What that would be varies by jurisdiction.) I suggest that you also photograph her stuff and document all the steps you take. According to Strahilevitz, your boyfriend would be wise to hang on to small valuables, like photos and fine jewelry, which aren't a menace to store. But, he says, "donating or disposing of the furniture and junk after a few months in which emails and calls ... asking her to remove the property were ignored probably would not constitute gross negligence," a scary legal term that merely describes being really careless with someone's property.
Although, at the moment, one woman's trash is another woman's trash, the prognosis looks good for that "another woman" no longer being you. Personally, I'm picturing the winning bidder on "Storage Wars" dreaming of abandoned art treasure in her unit and finding it -- from Rodin's little-known "garden gnome sitting on a toilet" period.








I'm wondering why exactly LW felt the need to move in with her boyfriend of 5 months--and his 12 year old daughter. Five months is a pretty short time to be with anyone before living together, let alone someone with a kid and a coke head ex still on the scene. If common sense didn't tip LW off that they were moving way too fast, you'd think that the big piles of the last woman's stuff would have done the trick. This is a perfect example of why it's a good idea to get to know someone before you decide to merge households. Now you've made your bed and have to lie in it--literally--or figure out a way to move out.
Oh, and I feel really, really bad for the kid. Mom's in and out of jail and dad moves in his new girlfriend--what a way to grow up.
Shannon at August 6, 2013 8:23 PM
I agree with Shannon and will add that The leftover stuff is really the tip of the iceberg in this situation. LW is just starting down this road of borrowed misery, and I predict this will not be the last time Amy hears from her.
I feel for this poor child. She will be the one paying the price for having a father who has no backbone. One ex girlfriend is a bullying coke head and the new one (the LW) probably came over for a weekend and just refuses to leave, like the stink of bad fish. If the guy was really emotionally ready to live with the LW, getting rid of the last woman's trash wouldn't be such a big problem.
That said, excellent advice Amy! You took the time to explain the legal pitfalls beautifully. My advice would have been for the LW to pack her stuff and leave, but you always treat the relationship as if it is viable and worth saving. That takes a lot patience! Great answer as usual!
Sheep mommy at August 7, 2013 5:04 AM
Give LW a break - she really really loves him, and that certainly trumps having to live in a semi-permanent flea market with a guy who hasn't got the parenting skills or the stones to tell his adolescent daughter why her druggie con artist mom's stuff is leaving the house.
LW should just suck it up, because she is clearly too goddamn stupid to DTMFA. Maybe I'm in a bad mood this morning, but what she needs is a magic wand, not an advice columnist.
Grey Ghost at August 7, 2013 6:08 AM
I had to break up with my ex-bf because he constantly bowed to his ex's "emotional blackmail." It is a nice way to lose all respect for someone.
Moving in at 5 months, especially with a teen, is a big no-no! LW will be playing second fiddle to this woman for quite awhile, methinks.
cheluzal at August 7, 2013 7:31 AM
I'm looking at this 5 months ago when she was moving in, and am seeing problems with it. Financially: With 2 shared households where you used to be paying 2 rents and now just one, you should be able to afford a storage room, unless she or he were not meeting rent beforehand.
When she moved in she had a plan, a plan it sounds like she never checked with anyone else. So he has the problems of not enough spine and forceful women.
Joe J at August 7, 2013 8:47 AM
I agree with Joe here. Unless LW moved in with the boyfriend because otherwise she'd be homeless there is now money available to pay for storage. There's more going on here than we're being told.
DrMaturin at August 7, 2013 9:07 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2013/08/cleanup-in-aisl.html#comment-3841871">comment from DrMaturinSorry, can't fit everything in the question. She's 22. Was maybe living at home before.
Amy Alkon
at August 7, 2013 9:26 AM
I think I'd follow all the steps Amy suggested, and then let the ex know I was thinking of offering the cops the chance to look over the stuff and see if anything else was stolen property.
Pricklypear at August 7, 2013 9:48 AM
I concur with Shannon, et al. How many red flags does this woman need before she runs?
Coke-head, meth-head ex. Check.
Daughter by previous relationship. Check.
Spineless and manipulated by ex. Check.
Home that looks like something out of Sanford and Son due to ex's possessions that she refuses to claim. Check.
Gee, sounds like a real catch to me.
Still, Amy, as always, trips the light fantastic when offering the advice, even exploring the legal aspects for the LW.
Patrick at August 7, 2013 11:09 AM
The LW is young enough to be just learning how real relationships work, and this is a heck of a situation to start on.
My advice to the LW is to step back and think about what she really wants. What she's got: A controlling and manipulative drug-addicted mother/ex, a boyfriend who is unwilling to do what is right for his daughter (in dealing with both his ex's actions and also letting the new girlfriend move in,) and a girl just headed into the difficult teen years from which the LW only recently emerged herself. And the LW is a placator, is unwilling to engage the boyfriend on difficult things. It reads like a train wreck about to happen. Life is too short to walk into that voluntarily, it takes most of us a few more years to get there.
And I agree, the 12 year old daughter has the worst lot, with an undependable mother and a weak father and girlfriends moving in and out. Sad stuff.
Gwehydd at August 7, 2013 2:05 PM
Get a garden shed at Home Depot
Louis at August 8, 2013 5:06 PM
Run, LW, run like the wind!
You're freaking 22 years old and your bf has a 12 year old. I am guessing that makes him older than you by a fair amount.
You are playing house right now, playing the role of mate and mother and dealing with the bad news ex and her stuff.
You should be having fun hanging out with your friends and playing the field a bit. Figure out who you are, what you want from life, maybe continue your education. This is supposed to be the free spirited fun time in a person's life that they look back on years later and smile wistfully remembering all the fun they had.
Not looking back on that time they had to get a restraining order or bring a 12 year old to see mommy in jail.
5 months isn't long enough to know if a guy is Mr. Right or not, especially when you are 22.
linny at August 9, 2013 1:58 PM
Yeah, what linny said.
Hell, moving in with someone after just 10 months is a really bad idea, but doing so after just 5? WTF? Was she that desperate to get out of her parents' house?
The bf isn't much better, imo. Sounds like the ex hasn't been gone that long. He needs to concentrate on making a better life for his daughter, and that doesn't include an Instant Substitute Mommy. As one single parent to another, take care of your kid, rebuild your life, fully end the old relationship, and THEN you can think about finding someone new.
I agree with linny, the lw is playing house, and trying to prove she's an adult by playing at Happy Families.
Erica at August 10, 2013 7:16 AM
Add me to the list of "Why'd she move in with this guy so quickly, and when there were so many red flags?" Just another in a long, long list of People Who Live Their Lives In Ways That Make No Sense.
Dana at August 10, 2013 10:04 AM
"He needs to concentrate on making a better life for his daughter, and that doesn't include an Instant Substitute Mommy"
I don't think we know nearly enough about the individuals involved here to make this judgment call. It may or not be better, it's not for us to say ... she may actually be the best thing for this family.
Amy's advice is good on the storage issue.
Lobster at August 10, 2013 10:45 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2013/08/cleanup-in-aisl.html#comment-3846762">comment from LobsterThanks, Lobster, and I agree with what you wrote above.
Amy Alkon
at August 10, 2013 10:54 AM
Sorry, she still moved in way too soon. I believe in love at first sight, I do. I have friends who got married after three weeks, they're still crazy about one another 35 years later. Heck, I suspected on the first date that my husband was The One.
But here's the thing: Love at first sight and infatuation at first sight are utterly indistinguishable for a minimum of a year. If you get married or move in before then, you simply don't know which you'll have as time goes by. Maybe you'll have hit the relationship jackpot, maybe not.
In the meanwhile, moving in makes it exponentially harder to break up, leading people to stay in relationships that have long since passed their expiration dates. My friends who got married in three weeks notwithstanding, it's not wise to put yourself in a position where dumping someone will be incredibly materially difficult and stressful and even more emotional painful than necessary until you're a whole lot more certain.
And this girl is 22. Maybe, just maybe, she's a really, really adult 22, but most 22 year olds are still maturing, don't completely know who they are or what direction they want to head yet. Getting into a situation this difficult, taking on troubles that aren't hers to bear, will not make that process easier, and has the potential to stunt the rest of her life.
Dana at August 10, 2013 3:01 PM
"Maybe, just maybe, she's a really, really adult 22, ..."
No, she's not. If she were, she would have seen all these pitfalls and wouldn't have considered moving in for one second. I'm betting that the drama of it all is making her feel like a big girl and she loves it.
whistleDick at August 10, 2013 4:25 PM
At 22, he's using her for free babysitting and pole-dancing.
At 22, she's stupid enough to fall for it.
Run like the wind LW!
wtf at August 11, 2013 10:34 AM
"I'm betting that the drama of it all is making her feel like a big girl and she loves it."
This.
And I am also 22.
Shannon at August 13, 2013 7:36 AM
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