Serf's Up!
My boyfriend works at a hardware store and can fix things, and in the past six months, his sister and her husband have asked him to install their new kitchen faucet, mend their fence (with the husband's help), and assemble a lawnmower. They are lawyers and could afford a handyman. Instead, they feed him a crappy $15 meal, despite knowing that we struggle to make ends meet. They do invite us to dinner parties, and he lived at their house rent-free for six months when he moved here for college. He generally isn't a pushover but says, "You're always supposed to help family." I also think he enjoys helping them, but when your family has far more money than you, shouldn't they be helping themselves? When I bring up their taking advantage of him, it always causes a fight because he won't see my point of view.
--Frustrated
When you're invited to somebody's home for dinner, good manners dictate that you bring something, but maybe a bottle of wine or a pie, not a shovel so you can dig the hole for their new septic tank: "Dinner will be served after a little light plumbing."
The way you see it, unless a person's relative is Jimmy Carter, he shouldn't be inviting them over for an afternoon of home improvement. Well, that's how it works in your boyfriend's family culture. Their way isn't wrong; it's just different from your way. But perhaps because you're focused on the tumbleweed blowing through your bank account, you're succumbing to "confirmation bias," our tendency to cling to information that confirms our beliefs and shove aside information that doesn't, like how these two previously "exploited" your boyfriend by letting him live rent-free at their place for six months. Chances are, this has more than paid for his occasional handymanning. And while he's got a way with a screwdriver, I would guess that if he had a legal issue, sis would help him and follow up with a hug instead of a bill with a threat to ruin his credit if he doesn't pay within seven days.
The issue you should be worried about is tucked in at the end of your letter. It's your style of conflict resolution, which appears to be, "There are two ways to see an issue, my way or my way." This is a viable strategy if you've just mounted a successful military coup on a small Central American nation. It's far less effective when you're in a relationship with a man who is able to open doors and walk through them carrying boxes of his stuff.
Every relationship comes with unsolvable problems. Identifying this as one of them should help you stop badgering your boyfriend to change, which will only change your feelings for each other from loving to resentful. You should also figure out the fears behind your stance. (Money worries? The worry that "family first" means he won't be there for you?) Telling him your fears will allow him to listen and reassure you in a way he can't when you're nagging him to stop being there for people who matter to him. Ironically, evoking his sympathy is also the one way you might get him to stop automatically saying yes to "We'd love to see you, little brother!" and then the inevitable Part B: "...because the washing machine is making this sound like people being tortured in hell."








My husband is the same way--his family would probably go belly-up if he weren't around to help them. When we got married, it bothered me a bit, but then he started helping out MY family, too--and he now lends a hand to our neighbors in need. Sometimes someone gives him a "thank you" gift, but more often than not his only reward is a "thanks." Doesn't bother him at all and it no longer bothers me because it makes him happy.
His kindness takes NOTHING away from our family life and sets a great example for our kids about being helpful. If "my cobbler's children had no shoes," it might be different.
Methinks the LW needs to relax a little.
Lori at April 15, 2014 4:05 PM
You gotta love it, when the kind helpful family loving personality of a man who attracted you in the first place, as a good long term bet,
is what bothers you, when you think you have already reeled him in.
Why does the LW want to fight about this? She needs a serious attitude adjustment.
They aren't married.
She sounds like a controlling bitch. Like the letter writer who thought that her boyfriend should not be getting random gifts of money from his parents, this poor guy needs to dump her quickly.
Bigger control issues are down the road....
Isab at April 15, 2014 7:12 PM
I gotta laugh at this stuff, because my pirate girl does it to ME... crying about how I make a living driving nails, but she can't hit a nail with a hammer to save her life, therefore, I need to come over at 11pm to put new shingles on her roof.
It ain't the sex, either.
jefe at April 15, 2014 8:27 PM
If anyone let me live rent free in their home for SIX FRIGGIN' MONTHS you better believe I'd help them out every chance I got. And I would resent anyone who tried to talk me out of it. Seriously - someone who has been that nice should get a "yeah, I'll help you now. For $30 an hour"?
Jesper at April 15, 2014 11:14 PM
Sez the LW: "When I bring up their taking advantage of him, it always causes a fight because he won't see my point of view."
Perhaps he does see your point of view, but he still thinks you're wrong.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at April 16, 2014 4:39 AM
Perhaps he does see your point of view, but he still thinks you're wrong.
Amen, Old RPM. Sounds like he's way more tolerant than she is.
Flynne at April 16, 2014 6:21 AM
Perhaps he does see your point of view, but he still thinks you're wrong.
This. Sounds more like he just doesn't accept her point of view as his reality.
Also, 6 months worth of free rent (and possibly utilities and food) is no small matter. He SHOULD be helping these people out.
MonicaP at April 16, 2014 7:40 AM
When I bring up their taking advantage of him, it always causes a fight because he won't see my point of view.
Hey Einstein, stop bringing it up.
Pirate Jo at April 16, 2014 12:46 PM
I could at least understand LW being upset if her boyfriend was out fixing stuff for the family every weekend.
But three times in the past six months? This is a problem worth fighting about? Three little jobs that probably took a couple of hours each. Jeez. It's not as if he's rewiring the house or replacing all of the pipes.
He sounds like a great guy.
LadyJ at April 17, 2014 5:33 AM
"to install their new kitchen faucet, mend their fence (with the husband's help), and assemble a lawnmower." You are completely full of shit LW. We are talking about maybe be, if he's flagrantly incompetent 6-8 hours of work. If he had the right tools hell 2-3. Unless they have a paddock on their property. A few hours helping family is nothing we've all done it. Or for some of us weeks wearing hazmat gear and shell out thousands for supplies.
And quite honestly he maybe getting paid and just not sharing it. Might be the reason he tells you to drop it. You are trying your hardest to take away his fun money. Also that six months in even a shit neighborhood is 3k. If they are as well off as you complain it's probably closer to 20. He may even be asking then if he can help to pay back the debt. Just not saying anything to avoid yet another fight.
I'm stuck building a shed with Tim Allen. Even though my family is well off mom sure as hell won't cover it (for a damn good reason). It's GD disaster and my brother who lives there free ain't doing shit. But favors got called in and I'm shafted. Oh yeah and he can afford it to but that will cut into his hobby money. Just remember this conversation when he helps you move YOUR parents to Florida or assisted living. Especially if either parent is hoarders.
Vlad at April 17, 2014 8:46 AM
Does it not occur to this woman that guys like doing this kind of thing together? Guys will hang out and work on a car, or build something for one of them, and it's a bonding experience. Maybe the writer should just pretend that boyfriend and his brother are going out for lunch and mani-pedis.
The Original Kit at April 17, 2014 4:29 PM
LW: When I bring up their taking advantage of him, it always causes a fight because he won't see my point of view.
Amy: The issue you should be worried about is tucked in at the end of your letter. It's your style of conflict resolution, which appears to be, "There are two ways to see an issue, my way or my way.
This makes me laugh because it reminds me of a former girlfriend. Whenever we'd disagree about something, she'd inevitably cry "you're not listening to me!" I'd point out to her that I heard (and understood) what she was saying, but just didn't agree with it, but that never seemed to register with her. She seemed to feel that anyone who "listened" to her would always end up agreeing with her.
As for the LW's situation, I don't exactly see the couple taking advantage of her boyfriend. They did, after all, let him live at their house rent-free for six months. That's significant compensation for installing a new kitchen faucet, helping to mend a fence and assembling a lawnmower.
JD at April 18, 2014 9:49 AM
"This makes me laugh because it reminds me of a former girlfriend. Whenever we'd disagree about something, she'd inevitably cry "you're not listening to me!" I'd point out to her that I heard (and understood) what she was saying, but just didn't agree with it, but that never seemed to register with her. She seemed to feel that anyone who "listened" to her would always end up agreeing with her."
Wymen's studies departments and the entire democratic party are being run on this exact same idiotic assumption,
That if you were listening, you would be in agreement, so therefore, you are not listening, if you still won't knuckle under and do it their way.
Isab at April 18, 2014 3:42 PM
Jeez, lw, get over yourself already! Are you seriously writing to an advice columnist about this non-issue? What, have all of your friends already told you you're being petty and dumb, so now you're hoping maybe a total stranger will take your side? "Oh, no, my boyfriend is too nice! And he helps his family once every two months! Oh, woe is meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!"
Erica at April 19, 2014 9:57 AM
"When you're invited to somebody's home for dinner, good manners dictate that you bring something, but maybe a bottle of wine or a pie, not a shovel so you can dig the hole for their new septic tank: "Dinner will be served after a little light plumbing.""
This little hilarious gem is why I love me my Amy. Hilarious. :)
Rosemary at April 20, 2014 7:52 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2014/04/serfs-up.html#comment-4514475">comment from RosemaryAw, thank you, Rosemary. Especially appreciated as I slave over a hot computer on next week's.
Amy Alkon
at April 20, 2014 8:16 AM
I don't know these individuals so can't really say, but it sounds a bit insulting to assume he's just being a pushover, as if you think he can't stand on his own two feet. Let him have some autonomy on how he conducts his affairs with his family. That he stands up to you on it suggests he's not just being a pushover, but that this is just how he wants to be, if he likes being that way, why should it bother you so much? Sounds like you're trying to drive a wedge between him and family, to make him choose between family and you.
Rent for six months is worth WAY more than the bit of labor you've listed above, so if you really want to go put everything in a spreadsheet and tally up the balance sheet to the last cent, then it sounds like he's coming out ahead anyway.
And just because they're lawyers, how do you know what they could easily afford? You never know what peoples financial situations really are, maybe they also have some financial challenges of their own.
Lobster at April 20, 2014 6:18 PM
I wish my life was so wonderful that this was the big problem I'd have to write an advice columnist about.
I agree with the Original Kit. My husband and his step-dad spend a big chunk of family get-togethers working on projects in the garage. It's how they connect. Plus step-dad's a stubborn, healthy 90 years old, and hubby's one of the only people he'll trust to help him.
Amy, I admire your patience in dealing with some of these people and their problems. At least we get to read your fun responses.
Kimberly at April 22, 2014 4:32 PM
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