A Czar Is Born
I love my girlfriend, but she has some weird rules about her place: no shoes inside, cabinets can't be left open, etc. We've gotten in fights when I've forgotten to do this stuff and then mentioned how ridiculous I find it. Should I have to do things I think are stupid?
--Besieged
Your girlfriend reminds you of a well-known television star. Unfortunately, it's Judge Judy.
You, like many people in relationships, have the expectation that your partner's requests should make sense. This is where you go wrong. To be human is to be kind of an idiot. We're all idiots on some level -- meaning that we all say and do things that make sense to us but that others would reasonably find utterly idiotic.
That said, our idiocy is not without benefits. Economist Robert H. Frank observes that we evolved to sometimes behave in "seemingly irrational" ways that actually serve our interests. An example would be acting out in ways that test others' commitment to us (though, typically, we don't see it that way and may not even intend to do that).
So, though your girlfriend would probably list reasons for each of her rules -- reasons you might find silly -- what isn't silly is her caring about your following them or at least caring enough to try. In short, you don't have to endorse her ideas to try to act in accordance with them and to treat her kindly when she gets upset that you've forgotten. (For example, you could say: "I'm sorry. I know it's important to you that I do this.") This would be a signal that you care deeply about her -- that you love her enough to do ridiculous things just to make her happy...maybe even to the point of handing her a shopping bag: "Look, honey! There was a sale at Prada on surgical shoe covers!"








There's an entire nation just to your north where it is considered rude to wear your shoes in the house. And where were you raised that it was normal behaviour to open cabinet doors and leave them open? I'd be interested to hear what other "unreasonable" requests are weighing down this relationship. Perhaps the girlfriend's message to Besieged is simply "Don't be a slob in my house."
Parker at March 5, 2019 11:46 PM
I'm with Parker and the LW's girlfriend. Time to clean up your act because your not living with your mommy anymore!
Jan at March 6, 2019 3:14 AM
This poor guy manages in 51 words to say a tall stack of silly things.
I love my girlfriend, but she has some weird rules about her place: no shoes inside, cabinets can't be left open, etc.
Lots of people run their houses this way. An it's her house, not yours, so suck it up.
We've gotten in fights when I've forgotten to do this stuff and then mentioned how ridiculous I find it.
I'm going to assume you managed to take your shoes off when you entered her abode, because surely she reminded you to. As for it being ridiculous to close a door you opened -- just how ridiculous is that?
Should I have to do things I think are stupid?
You should do things that are polite and respectful. Following her rules in her house is polite and respectful. And what were you going to do if you got the answer you wanted? Tell your girlfriend "Amy said I don't have to follow your rules, so nyah?"
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at March 6, 2019 7:02 AM
I'd be curious to know what other rules this guy's girlfriend has that he finds "weird."
I don't find either of the two rules he mentioned to be odd, especially the one about shoes.
JD at March 6, 2019 10:09 AM
Should I have to do things I think are stupid?
Of course not. But you do have to understand that failing to do them will damage and possibly end your relationship, and decide whether that's worth it.
I agree with the other commenters that the rules you cite are quite common. You'll find it easier to adjust your behavior than to find a woman who will cheerfully put up with your lack of consideration.
Rex Little at March 6, 2019 3:13 PM
Open cabinets make a clean home look messy and also reduce usable space. Also your GF is giving you very easy ways to make her happy instead of silently resenting you. Close the cabinets.
sofar at March 6, 2019 6:24 PM
I used to crack my head on kitchen cabinet doors my wife left open. I couldn't get her to close them — until our daughter grew tall enough to face the same danger.
dee nile at March 7, 2019 11:25 AM
"Of course not. But you do have to understand that failing to do them will damage and possibly end your relationship, and decide whether that's worth it."
Depending on how bad the situation is (it's hard to tell from what is quoted of the LW here), that might actually be for the best. I recall a date I had once... I went to her place to pick her up, and she invited me in for a few minutes while she finished getting ready. However, I failed to comprehend that most of the chair-type furniture pieces in her place were only for looks and were off limits for actually sitting on. After several unsuccessful attempts to find a place where sitting was permitted, I decided to just stand and wait while she got ready. More of this sort of thing took place during dinner, where my food choices, eating habits, and my specific handling of the utensils was critiqued. There was no second date.
Cousin Dave at March 7, 2019 2:07 PM
To put what others said more concisely and in a manner more colloquially appropriate for the preferences you telegraph:
Was you brung up or drug up?
Quit while you're ahead and find a fellow slob to date who won't expect more civilized conduct than you can muster.
bw at March 7, 2019 6:43 PM
She is a neat freak and you are a slob. This is not going to work in the long run
Nicolek at March 7, 2019 9:17 PM
Cousin Dave: "More of this sort of thing took place during dinner, where my food choices, eating habits, and my specific handling of the utensils was critiqued. There was no second date."
Yikes! I have to say, in all the dates I've been on, I've never had any woman critique me like that. And if I had, I would've done the same thing as you: no second date.
You also reminded me of something from many years ago. I was in San Francisco (my older sister & her family live in the Bay Area so I've been there a lot) and Nordstrom had just opened their store on Market Street so I went to check it out. I was looking at shoes when I overheard a woman say to the man she was with, "Those aren't the kind of shoes my dad would buy." I don't know if they were married or dating but I thought to myself "Danger Will Robinson!!! Run away, dude, run away!!"
JD at March 8, 2019 10:17 AM
I was looking at shoes when I overheard a woman say to the man she was with, "Those aren't the kind of shoes my dad would buy." I don't know if they were married or dating but I thought to myself "Danger Will Robinson!!! Run away, dude, run away!!"
JD at March 8, 2019 10:17 AM
Maybe the old man was housebound, and they were looking for a pair for him.
Since you weren’t privy to the entire situation, it is best not to presume.
Isab at March 9, 2019 3:56 PM
"Should I have to do things I think are stupid?
At her house? Yes, you absolutely do have to do things that you think are stupid.
If she says at her house everyone wears underwear on their head, or a bridal vel over their face. then you have to do that too.
The other choice is simply not to go to her house.
It's her house, her rules. Don't like that reality, don't go to her house.
Deer Me at April 10, 2019 9:49 PM
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