Airtalk: "Nice Dress!" Shouldn't Require HR Intervention -- Not If Women Are Truly Men's Equals
I hope you'll listen to my appearance on Larry Mantle's Airtalk on Thursday, talking about sexual harassment.
The show reflects on @CathyYoung63's op-ed in the LA Times (which I also blogged), "Is 'Weinsteining' Getting Out Of Hand?" -- and yes, I think it is.
Legit attacks on a woman and legit experiences of harassment -- repeated, "severe and pervasive" behavior that makes the workplace an abusive environment -- are obviously wrong.
But there's also a good deal of overreach in what's now being considered harassment.
From Ella Whelan at Spiked -- on Kate Maltby, one of the latest "#MeToo"s, for a text and a fleeting knee-touch:
A man has been accused of sending a text and touching someone's knee. Thankfully, the prime minister has launched an investigation into this harrowing claim.The man is Conservative MP for Ashford, and first secretary of state, Damian Green. His alleged victim is theatre critic and scholar, Kate Maltby. Maltby made her allegation against Green in a column for The Times. Her accusation consists of 'a fleeting hand against my knee -- so brief, it was almost deniable', and a text from Green which read: 'Long time no see. But having admired you in a corset in my favourite tabloid I feel impelled to ask if you are free for a drink anytime?'
It is easy to laugh at such a risible accusation. But this sex-pest panic is no longer a laughing matter. As a result of Maltby's opportunist and crass allegation, her transparent attempt to be part of the celebrity #MeToo movement, Green is being investigated by the state. He has released a statement, saying 'this untrue allegation has come as a complete shock and is deeply hurtful, especially from someone I considered a personal friend'. But even if it were true, whose business is it that a man asked a woman out, and 'fleetingly', 'so brief, it was almost deniable', touched her knee?
It was my contention throughout the show that women are not fragile little things who need to be protected in ways men don't -- which is basically proclaiming that women are eggshells, not men's equals.
And though I'm usually hypercritical of my performance, this time, I have to say, I think I crushed throughout -- debating the WaPo's Alyssa "Hark, I believe I see another straw man!" Rosenberg. ("Straw man!" is Alyssa-speak for "Shit, Alkon just exploded my weak argument!")
The best bit was the end, where Alyssa Rosenberg sneered, "Glad I don't have to sell a lot of books by throwing women under the bus."
That's the kind of set-up I kind of feel like I should have to pay for.
My response: MEEEE-YOW!








Women who complain about harassment from a text or somebody talking to them at work are probably better off manning a kitchen at home. /ducking
mpetrie98 at November 3, 2017 3:28 AM
The most shocking part of this for me was all of the women calling for, basically, paternalism.
Amy Alkon at November 3, 2017 5:12 AM
The snowflakes have an innate fondness for the Patriarchy, eh?
mpetrie98 at November 3, 2017 6:33 AM
We really need to institute Shar'ia law, cover the snowflakes in black cloth head to foot, relieve them of the vote and ability to drive a car, and to never leave the house without a male relative to preserve their value, err, virtue.
I R A Darth Aggie at November 3, 2017 6:50 AM
That is basic human nature Amy. Look at all the people who want an all encompassing government to take care of them and completely control their lives. Being able to push all those worries and fears off onto 'the government' is very comforting to most people.
Ben at November 3, 2017 6:54 AM
No, Ben, they have a romanticized notion of having an Uncle Sugar take care of them. They don't see it as control, but rather freedom.
The assume that Uncle Sugar will foot the bill, suffer no consequences and free to be themselves. They don't think of the reality of he who pays the piper calls the tune.
Once they're all up in your health care, paying your bills, they can - and will - turn around and tell you how to live your life. Anything deemed bad for your health will be forbidden. Anything good for your health will not be optional.
Booze? forbidden.
Adrenaline sports? also forbidden.
I R A Darth Aggie at November 3, 2017 7:30 AM
Different worlds. Hollywood, D.C., Wall Street, Silicon Valley - places with too much concentration of power, too many arrogant a**holes. Then there's the rest of the planet.
I'll happily slap a guy on the back, when something goes right. I won't touch a woman. I'll meet with a guy alone in a conference room, but with a woman, we'll meet in the cafeteria.
I'm sure sexual harassment exists, though I've never seen it in the IT industry, not once in more than 30 years. However, in the past ten years, I've seen men start avoiding women. We worry that any action might be misinterpreted.
What opportunities are women denied as a result?
Nothing deliberate, but if you can't quite trust someone, if you're not sure whether or not they are a lawsuit waiting to happen, well...
If anything is killing women's careers, this is it.
a_random_guy at November 3, 2017 2:39 PM
All men are guilty until proven innocent.
All women are angels.
Seriously, did you not get the memo?
Snoopy at November 3, 2017 4:18 PM
All men are guilty until proven innocent.
All men are guilty. No evidence of innocence will be considered.
FTFY
dee nile at November 4, 2017 5:28 AM
I don't dispute your characterization IRA. I have some Russian immigrants in my neighborhood. They hate Stalin. He was the source of all evil or horrible things. But they love Putin. Think he is great. They can't accept the obvious parallels between the two men. They've openly expressed just how terrifying American capitalism is to them. The idea that the government won't step in and protect you from any bad outcome gives them the screaming willies. I mention them because they are quite articulate in their desire to live in an all encompassing police state that controls their every moment. My point being this isn't a woman thing but a human thing. People don't yearn for freedom. They yearn for protection from the unpredictable bad stuff. And they are quite willing to trade their freedom away in order to transition from unpredictable bad stuff to guaranteed bad stuff.
Ben at November 4, 2017 7:51 AM
"They can't accept the obvious parallels between the two men."
How is this obvious to an outsider, observing reports made by fellow outsiders?
How does Putin NOT get credit for a resurgence in the Russian economy - even visible in car crash video?
Radwaste at November 4, 2017 8:07 AM
There have always been some women who find sex icky and freak out if they are looked at. Sometimes they are even married but do it with the lights out and never run around naked. Now, such women get to make the rules about what behavior is to be allowed.
Worse than this though is when women make accusations purely as a political ploy or as revenge. The reactions of management to just fire the guy play right into their hands and totally undermine company functioning.
cc at November 4, 2017 8:18 AM
I don't think that 'fragile' is the right word. But I do think that a lot of women seek pity and revel in fantasies of victimization.
It's a way for them to feel special and get what they want, especially from men. The Weinstein incident is just a forum for that behavior.
Honestly this is why I think men tend to run things. It's not because they're smarter or more competent. It's because they can work together and focus on an objective. They don't stir up a huge drama when things do go as they'd like.
I've seen so many examples of women undermining each other and deliberately sabotaging things our of spite.
marnie at November 4, 2017 11:27 AM
Stalin did that too Rad. Did you ever look at preUSSR Russia? Stalin very much advanced their military and economy. But at a steep humanitarian price. The same can be said of Putin.
Ben at November 5, 2017 6:05 AM
Okay - where is Putin's "steep humanitarian price"?
Russians died by the millions under Stalin, even outside WW2.
Russia is now far more prosperous by any measure than during Stalin's tenure.
Radwaste at November 8, 2017 9:26 AM
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