Most of the straight males I know seem to think that when it comes to breast size, "anything more than a handful's a waste."

Like a new set of wheels they look great then you have an fender bender never the same. Natural Law is the same.

Keep what you were given buy the big one and if you have an issue find a guy that likes what you have my wife's 1/2 tennis balls and 15 years later it was not worth the problems.

Good orderly direction seems to be the rul of thumb but the what does and old accident investigator know. The first accident I worked on with a fatality . Cement truck hits beautiful woman in VW her head was in the back seat and body still in the front. Who needs a COP? How do you think that left an imprint on his brain. I drive a 9000 lb 4x4

If you're talented, let your talent speak for you

omg i laughed when I read that. yeah right, that's why all those movies about the "ugly girl" are really knockouts who they simply put glasses on. As the soap opera casting director on that Simpson's episode said "I don't want REAL ugly, I want TV ugly!"

If they don't want giant fake looking ones, then fine. but there are plenty of women who have them where you can barely tell, especially newer ones using newer techniques, under the muscle, etc.

Seriously, running topless to prove your boobs make the cut? For a job as an EXTRA? Talk about insecurities....

Well done fake boobs are impossible to tell unless you touch. They aren't huge and are shaped well. The problem is, most women getting them seem to go for value by the pound.

The part about running was not in the original casting call, it was added later as the story made the rounds. The Sunday Times of London wrote it, and even a columnist at the New York Times didn't fact check, and neither did Feministing. Here's what the casting call said-

http://www.moviehole.net/201024092-exclusive-pirates-of-the-caribbean-casting-call

Fakes look freaky-weird, but they're very popular nowadays. Also, people enjoy country music and artificially-sweetened soft drinks. And even more than with melodies and refreshment, this is a realm where you can't argue with people's tastes... They want what they want.

But every time some psychologically-sketchy woman gets a boob job and then sues her doctor because her soul didn't soar over the treetops as she's assumed it would, my heart starts to glow.

This stuff would be even funnier if it didn't take the medical industries even further... We're talking about SURGERY, after all.

What makes this so stupid is that Hollywood created the demand for fake boobs in the first place.

I hope the stuff about Hollywood going more for natural breasts now is true, but I think the thing with Pirates 4 is more pragmatic than that. Women in the 19th century didn't have breast implants, and it would look stupid for a character to have them. That's partly what the corsets were for. It's good business not to include women with breast implants in the main cast of a period film, otherwise it would likely become a joke and have a bad impact on the movie.

"The American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery reported an 11 percent drop in breast augmentations from 2007 to 2008, and a further 2 percent drop in 2009."

That happens when the home-equity spigot is turned off.

Where I come from, that's "anything more than a mouthful is wasted."

The most incredibly beautiful young woman in my village is almost totally flat chested. Yeah, I am married and faithful, at least in action, but when she walks by, I almost stop breathing. She is a good kid, and I worry about her, with these macho men around here. But, that flat chest does not detract from her beauty in my opinion. It's just different.

I've never dealt with fake ones. But I once had the opportunity to be under a pair of natural D's. I was nearly beat to death. ;-)

I've been with high A's to medium-full C's and have enjoyed it.

But the reason I enjoyed it it was the content of character. Granted I have done whores, hookers, and ho's. Those are for relief, not for care. When I'm done they go away.

When I am with the lady of my choice, I'm there with her for all her all her attributes, good or bad, not a specific thing.

The casting notice is a laugh. I don't believe it is a call for authenticity.

Hollywood is the land of make believe, makeup, costumes, and computer graphics. They could not care less about someone being inauthentic.

Possibly, the casting people are tired of rejecting 90% of their applicants with size D implants. Maybe they tried asking for a natural look, but people would not self-select. Their simple solution is to ask for no implants.

The casting notice is a laugh. I don't believe it is a call for authenticity.

Hollywood is the land of make believe, makeup, costumes, and computer graphics. They could not care less about someone being inauthentic.

Period films (and yes, Pirates counts as a period film as it's set in the 18th century- I had thought 19th, but I think that's wrong) regularly ask for extras that are more "historical"-looking. No hugely visible tattoos, no visible piercings, no obvious breast implants. I've seen casting notices like that many times. It's actually pretty common for movies that like to want to keep some semblance of reality in the casting of extras, and the Pirates movies really do fall into this category, regardless of all the cursed gold and ghost ship stuff. They look pretty freaking amazing. The extras all seem really authentic-looking, at least to my admittedly untrained eye. I swear sometimes I could actually smell some of those people. It's not always about being 100% authentic, but more about people not looking ridiculously out of place. A girl with huge fake boobs would look ridiculously out of place in a corset.

Also, producers don't really want to have to shell out for extra makeup for some extra with a forehead tattoo when that money could be better spent elsewhere. That's just good business. Do you really believe that they would use computer graphics to scale down some chick's DDs? Cheaper to hire someone who doesn't have them.

> What makes this so stupid is that Hollywood
> created the demand for fake boobs in
> the first place.

Do you think that's true? Do you suppose that in the days before mass media, 'big tits' wasn't typical schoolboy obsession? Might well be true, I dunno. And I don't know where we'd go to look it up.

Bigger has always been better in most schoolboy obsessions.

Hollywood is still run by men and young men still make up a significant part of the audience for big budget blockbusters.

Not sure how to look it up either. I'm just remembering that so many actresses (some who were already successful and some who were beautiful without them) have been getting breast implants to increase their marketability.

I do think Hollywood has had a big influence on the demand for fake breasts. Specifically, Hollywood from about 1980 forward.

Yeah, schoolboys probably always fantasized about big breasts. BUT -- we didn't all constantly have every single woman on the screen having skinny tiny bodies and enormous large fake boobs, making us feel that anything that didn't fit that (really unusual) standard was . . . sub-standard.

Watch an old 1970's Charlie's Angel's rerun. Farrah looks like a B-cup to me, as do the other Angels (Kate whatsherface may have been an A-cup). They certainly weren't huge. Yet they were undoubtedly the biggest sex symbols of the '70s. Then go watch Baywatch with their ginormous fake -uns. Yes, there were always some super-busty actresses (though they usually had full hips to go with them and weren't freakishly scrawny everywhere else), but not that fake Barbie doll look on every other woman.

> Watch an old 1970's Charlie's Angel's rerun.

First of all, no. I won't do it, and you can't make me.

(People forget why there was so much dope smoking in the '70s. But it sometimes seems like the people who smoked all that dope didn't miss much: The Ford administration? The Pacer? Evil Knievel?)

(For the record, "Knievel" doesn't trigger the spellcheck here. But "spellcheck" does.)

> Then go watch Baywatch

Seriously, seriously, seriously, Ms. Harvard Grad— How much determinant power did these particular show business enterprises have on the erotic attunement of your cohort?

Listen, everybody likes pretty girls, especially when consuming elective entertainment products. I have favorites from my own life observing mass media (let alone working in it), and we can talk about them if you want.

But it would be silly to claim they had any meaningful authority in –or responsibility for– the development of my love life. (Or its frequent failures to develop.) It's no less silly for having gone to a Big Ten school instead of Harvard, as you did. And it would be no less silly for a high-school dropout.

A favorite exchange on Cathy Seipp's blog a few years ago concerned men's magazines and women's magazines, covering this same territory. Short version: Sensible men don't let the Playmate of the Month (or by a 1970's television program) tell them what it means to be horny. Sensible women don't let Cosmo's bullshit lists ("Seven ways to drive him crazy in bed!") govern their erotic understanding.

Take the bus to work tomorrow. Look at the bodies of those non-celebrity women riding three rows in front of you, and try to guess how many babies each has carried. Are you truly ready to credit each of those unseen lives to some pathetic failure to achieve an Aniston-level certification of humanoid allure? Are you saying that all those men selected all those women just because Pamela Anderson wasn't available?

Wait a minute... Marion's the Harvard grad, you're the lawyer. Or did you go to Yale or someplace too?

Amy's next commenting software will make everyone's resume available with the click of a mouse.

Actually, Cridster, when you get down to it, we're not really talking about the MEN'S reactions to those shows or to Hollywood. We're talking about the WOMEN'S reaction -- to run out and get fake hooters or not.

And I'd say when you look down at your B-cups and you see Farrah as the nation's sex symbol, plastered over every teenage boys wall, you say, "hey, my breasts are OK." When you see Pamela Anderson lauded as the ideal, with unnatural-looking breasts like big fake melon halves pasted on her chest, an insecure woman looks down at her B-cups and thinks she's inadequate.

Not this woman, of course. But insecure women do. Funny blind date story -- when I was in college, I had a date tell me I'd be really hot if I got implants. (I'm a B-cup, by the way, which, prior to the days of implants and obesity, was the average. Not sure if it still is.) After I finished laughing at him, I paid my half of the check and left.

(Don't tell me I shouldn't pay my half of the check on a first date, Amy --- I know the message I was sending the dude and trust me, it was sent intentionally!)

When you just have a small minority of women built like Jane Mansfield or Marilyn Monroe, women don't feel so inadequate. But when a ton of them have huge fake knockers . . . . It's a little like grade inflation at schools. Absent grade inflation, only a few people are getting A's, so a B is a good grade, and a C is what most people get (the old "gentleman's C") and nothing to be ashamed of. But if everyone is getting an A, then a C is suddenly a bad grade.

Just looked it up -- until 1991, the average bra size in the US was a 34B. It is now a 34C. I used to be average -- now I'm small. Of course, I'm also a size 4, and I'm betting a lot of the 34C-ers these days are a lot bigger than that.

I bet you're right, Gail, that the increase in bra size is consistent with the increase in body size. There's a difference between having big boobs and having big boobs in relation to your overall size.

The large implants don't look as garish on a woman that is curvier in the hips, but they look ridiculous on a woman that is tiny everywhere else. I just saw the other day that Crazy McDouchebag (aka Spencer Pratt) was saying mean things about Kate Hudson's implants. He was all "why bother if you're going to get them that small?" Because she doesn't want to look like your freak of a wife, dumbass. I think Kate's (if they really are implants) look good. They look like the right size breasts for her body style.

It's funny you mention Jayne Mansfield and Marilyn Monroe, because people always point to those old movie stars and say that "plus-size" used to be the ideal because those women wore a size 14. Not true, folks. Marilyn was probably only about a (today's) size six/eight with a tiny waist. Jayne did have an exceptionally large chest, but she had average hips and a really tiny waist. Mae west was always lauded by some feminists as being one of the larger girls (because she was so curvy), but I recently found out that Ms. West, around I'm No Angel time, was the same size as I am now, and I'm 5'1, a curvy size six, and wear a 34C. By today's standards, they're not at all large, it was just that they were curvier than the average woman back then.

Totally off-topic, but in response to Gail's grade-inflation thing, I'm reminded of the most extreme case of grade-inflation I've experienced, but it was actually a good thing. I had a neuroscience class once where sixty percent was an A. There were several slackers in my class that thought that meant they could get away with not studying and still make Bs. Well, on this guy's tests, you were lucky to get fifty percent. His tests had five or six different types of questions (short answer, fill-in-the-blank, multiple choice, etc.) and were pretty long and quite difficult. Like, really freaking difficult. He explained to us that instead of making the tests easier, he would lower the percentage standard for the grades so they still reflected our grasp of the material. He figured that anyone that could get ninety out of a hundred and fifty questions (the average test length) correct deserved an A. And by having more questions, the likelihood we'd get a better grade increased. So instead of having thirty easier questions, he'd give us a hundred and twenty hard ones. About half of us got As and Bs, but those who thought it would be easy to get at least half the questions right suffered all the way through. Hee.

Yeah, I never see anything more than an A in less than 32. And when you get up to a C, the stores usually only have 34 and up. I'm sure there's a market out there that would purchase 30Cs and 30Ds if only they were available. I had a friend in high school with your problem. She was 15 and quite small and had to special order her bras. I'm pretty broad in the ribcage for my overall size, so it's not hard to find bras that fit correctly. Though it is harder to find bras that fit correctly, are semi-cute and actually do what they're supposed to. Like I've said before, mine don't sit all the way upright on their own, so I need the proper support. I've found that t-shirt bras are my best bet (also because I prefer a bit of lining).

I seem to have been talking about my breasts a lot since I started posting here.

> Not this woman, of course. But insecure
> women do.

People don't have the right to be insecure. I mean that. There are any number of destructive behaviors for which someone will say "They're only doing that because they're insecure", never specifying how the damage might therefore be mitigated. As if expressing insight is more important than preventing fuckups.

I'm just saying, when people blame pandering media, it's fair to ask why they were so eager to be pandered to anyway. Um, like, what did they expect? Rolling Stone once said: "The dairy! Tits are back, and they're bigger than ever!"

> I seem to have been talking about my
> breasts a lot since I started posting here.

Tits.

Tits, tits, tits, tits, tits.

It's partly the way a lot of places (at least used to) instruct you to measure yourself. I thought I was a 36A for years, and never could understand why my bras never fit right. I finally went to a professional bra-fitting, and discovered that I'm a generous 32B, and occasionally even a C, depending on the bra. I was thrilled!

I'm a bit jealous of you naturally thin, large-breasted types. The only way I'll have a freakish cup size is to get implants or get obese, and neither one is happening. I comfort myself with the fact that it's easier for me to buy a bra, particularly a sports bra, and I can wear skimpy little shirts with shelf bras if I want.