VAWA Provisions: Bye-Bye Due Process For Men
Hans Bader blogs at Open Market, "Troubling Provisions Being Added to the Violence Against Women Act: Due Process Rights Threatened":
Provisions are being added to the 1994 Violence Against Women Act that could undermine due process on campus and in criminal cases, as civil liberties groups like the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) and civil libertarians like former ACLU board member Wendy Kaminer have noted. The changes are contained in a reauthorization of the act that is likely to pass the Senate over objections from some Republican senators like Charles Grassley of Iowa, who has also objected to the lack of safeguards against fraud in the law and the misuse of millions of dollars in taxpayer money. (Even if the Senate's reauthorization does not pass the House, programs set up by the 1994 law will continue to operate.)William Creeley of FIRE, and Wendy Kaminer, say that the Senate reauthorization would effectively result in a form of double jeopardy for accused students. Moreover, they point out, it would implicitly reinforce Education Department "guidance" demanding that colleges water down due process protections in campus disciplinary proceedings (a demand criticized by lawyers like Robert Smith, Jennifer Braceras, Ilya Shapiro, and Harvey Silverglate; leading law professor and former University of Chicago law dean Richard Epstein; the American Association of University Professors; and many civil libertarians and journalists. I am a former Education Department attorney who practiced education law for years, and I discussed why the Education Department's guidance was legally unjustified under Title IX and federal court rulings here, here, here, here, here, and here).
One provision they do not address, but which Senator Grassley understandably objects to, is a provision in the VAWA reauthorization that would subject non-Indians to Indian tribal courts in domestic violence cases. Historically, Indian tribal courts have only had jurisdiction over members of their own tribe. Moreover, defendants in tribal courts are not constitutionally entitled to the protections of the Bill of Rights, unlike state or federal courts (see Santa Clara Pueblo v. Martinez ) -- although tribal courts have, in theory, been subjected to some of the strictures of the Bill of Rights pursuant to the Indian Civil Rights Act. As lawyer John Hinderaker notes, courts have ruled "that tribal governments are not bound by the Constitution's First, Fifth, or Fourteenth Amendments."
Federal judges have lamented the bias shown by some Indian tribal courts against non-Indians, as in cases where Indian tribal courts imposed hundreds of millions of dollars in damages on railroads over personal injury cases resulting from railroad tracks running through reservations that ordinarily would lead to damages only in the low thousands, suggesting a flagrant violation of Supreme Court decisions like BMW v. Gore. (See Judge Andrew Kleinfeld's dissent in Burlington Northern Railroad Co. v. Red Wolf, dealing with a $250 million judgment imposed on a railroad by a tribal court.) Given that courts sometimes issue unfounded domestic violence sanctions on people who don't even live in their jurisdiction -- as was illustrated by a New Mexico judge's restraining order erroneously issued against David Letterman after a local woman falsely accused him of harassing her across the country through his TV show -- giving a tribal court jurisdiction over outsiders raises serious questions of due process and jurisdictional overreaching.
...These flaws in the statute may reflect lawmakers' reluctance to scrutinize its provisions due to its crowd-pleasing name (no one wants to be perceived as soft on criminals who commit "violence against women"). Many counterproductive laws come with appealing names that are designed to shut down debate and prevent careful evaluation of their provisions -- like laws named after dead children. Veteran civil-liberties lawyer and former ACLU board member Harvey Silverglate says that "Any time you have a statute named after a victim, it's not a good law." "In order to get it passed, you have to depend on sympathy for somebody rather than seeking to remedy a real problem in the system."
Some have argued that VAWA promotes inflexible mandatory arrest and prosecution policies that backfire on women by taking away their ability to obtain police assistance in situations where the victim does not want a formal prosecution because it could result in job losses or other economic injuries.
What about violence against men? (As I wrote in a column, "in 2005, 513 women in the U.S. were murdered by 'boyfriends' (men they were dating but not married to) and 164 men were murdered by 'girlfriends.' (And yes, men, too, are victims of domestic violence, much of which goes unreported.)"
What about shelters that allow men who are victims of domestic violence? Nevermind! Gotta see to it that men have their due process rights removed post-haste -- anything that serves that is good. Attorney Lisa Scott writes:
VAWA is not about stopping violence. It is about greedy special interests slopping at the federal trough, perpetuating gender supremacy for women. If proponents were truly concerned about helping victims, they would demand that all intervention and funding be gender neutral and gender inclusive.
The existence of male victims threatens gender feminists because it knocks the underpinnings out of their theory, that the "patriarchy" causes men to abuse women. The DV industry has succeeded in creating the "victimarchy." With VAWA in their corner, women win no matter what: victim or abuser, they can do no wrong.







VAWA is not about stopping violence. It is about greedy special interests slopping at the federal trough, perpetuating gender supremacy for women. If proponents were truly concerned about helping victims, they would demand that all intervention and funding be gender neutral and gender inclusive.
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OK you're losing me here. I'll buy, "they are naive and misguided", I'm not buying "they are only in it for the money!" because there ain't a lot of money in this sort of thing compared to say, pretty much any industry. When you start getting hysterical and shrill, I start rolling my eyes.
Also, most domestic violence and shelter workers I've met have agreed there should be programs for men as well. It is just outside of the scope of the work that they do. None of them would object to a battered mens' shelter. It's not their pet cause, though.
If it is yours, you should start one in your city.
As for the Indian issue, is it for crimes committed on Reservation lands? Frankly, I think that if you commit a crime on Reservation lands it should be tried in tribal court. You don't want to be tried on Res lands, don't commit a crime there. So if they change the law to that I won't personally object. If the law isn't that, then it isn't that.
NicoleK at March 24, 2012 11:02 AM
The money is in it from all the crap they put the men through after they get charged. This is just like the DUI system.
The lawyers make money from "defending" you, then the perp gets shoved through some mandatory counseling/awareness crap. Then the counseler can decide the perp isn't "fixed" and they have to attend further counseling. Then there are the fees added to get the license back.
And this is all because the perp was caught after having 3 beers and driving 5 miles to his home.
Anonymous Coward at March 24, 2012 11:16 AM
I'm not buying "they are only in it for the money!" because there ain't a lot of money in this sort of thing compared to say, pretty much any industry.
But there is a lot of money in contentious divorces for lawyers who act as middle men between spouses. Lawyers have an incentive to create strife.
Bill C at March 24, 2012 11:19 AM
The abuse industry is a billion dollar industry. Fro counselors, to court personnel, to jailers, to cops, to lobbyists, to victims rights advocates, etc, etc ad nauseum ad infinitum it is every bit the cash cow the so-callded war on drugs is.
The Wolfman at March 24, 2012 7:33 PM
In addition to everything else, Bader makes an excellent point about how the title of a bill means absolutely nothing. Someone in Congress could propose a bill declaring the Bill of Rights null and void and title it the "Protection of Cute Puppies Act", and it would probably draw about 50 co-sponsors instantly.
And if the loss of due process right doesn't bother you, think: red-light cameras.
Cousin Dave at March 24, 2012 9:11 PM
"Frankly, I think that if you commit a crime on Reservation lands it should be tried in tribal court."
So you give up Constitutional guarantees? Hey, you're presumed guilty until you prove your innocence at some time because the tribe sets that up, that's OK by you - for a law you didn't know about, but ignorance of a law is also no excuse, paleface.
I'm amazed how little thought goes into anything these days.
Radwaste at March 25, 2012 10:20 AM
"It is just outside of the scope of the work that they do. None of them would object to a battered mens' shelter. It's not their pet cause, though.
If it is yours, you should start one in your city."
Will men get fedgov monies for it? I doubt it. And when they do it with private money, how fast do you think the feminists et. al. will jump in with a lawsuit making sure they offer services for all? You know, for equality?
Sio at March 25, 2012 5:04 PM
"It is just outside of the scope of the work that they do. None of them would object to a battered mens' shelter."
You may want to do some reading on what happened to Erin Pizzey, when she started suggesting opening Mens shelters. Hardly the response no one would object. Rather people in VAWA are rather protective of their billions, and opening other shelters would harm their bottom line.
Joe J at March 25, 2012 10:16 PM
"It is just outside of the scope of the work that they do. None of them would object to a battered mens' shelter. It's not their pet cause, though."
Exactly. Their pet cause is to maximize their share of government funding, which means miminizing funding for men's shelters. So yes, that is their pet cause.
Beyons that they have an interst in denying that men need these services at all ebcaus ethat would weaken the man=abuser/woman=victim paradigm they based their advocay on. It undermines the duluth Model among other very valuable advocacy tools.
"Also, most domestic violence and shelter workers I've met have agreed there should be programs for men as well. "
Of course they need to cover their asses that way, since their actions are are so biased and self-serving. They know people would be less supportive if they knew.
Jim at March 26, 2012 2:51 PM
Why should women be protected and remove rights from men?
In the Quran, Women are our property. We can do whatever we want to them and they cannot complain or else they'll be stoned to death.
In the Bible, Women should be subordinate, obey their husbands, and should keep silent and not allowed to speak in the household unless permitted by the husband.
If VAWA is passed, the Muslims will go Jihad on the Government.
Joshua Taylor at April 26, 2012 8:23 AM
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